I’m gonna declare it– we have not seen journalism like this in the gospel music industry in a long time, if ever. Oh, and lemme say KUDOS TO YOU, Lexi, for not having some churchified intro music!
In her premiere episode of her new show, Lexi has a heart-to-heart with Tonex. I don’t think it necessarily contained brand new info, but it allowed us to hear things straight from his mouth. And that was refreshing.
I cannot possibly recap all that he said (and I’m nervous about recapping what I’m about to, lest any of it be taken out of context), but I do wanna highlight some points he made…
Tonex shared that he was molested twice, at age 3 and age 6–once from a family member and once from a preaching friend of the family. He made it clear, however, that he doesn’t believe that his sexual explorations, as an adult, were due solely to that molestation. He accepts responsibility for what he’s encountered in his life.
When Lexi asked if he struggled with homosexuality, he responded “not struggled. It wasn’t a struggle.” But he did clarify that the reason for his divorce had nothing to do with adultery or sexual exploration on either of their parts.
He went on to say: “There’s still times where I’m like, ‘hmmm… I do want kids and I very much love women.’ But at the same time, I think we have to be honest with ourselves as to what it is that we have affinity for at the time. And I think, because of the situation that I experienced with the first marriage, that I would have to say that I lean more toward the same sex.”
He seemed to acknowledge that he’s in a journey of living and learning. He said “before I say ‘this is what I am, this is the only thing I’ll be,’ I’ll say AT THIS STAGE, this is what it is. So everyone can just breathe and relax on your show and say, Tonex said, ‘yes, he’s attracted to men. Yes, he has experienced gay sex before. But that’s the least of who this man of God is.”
“I’m saying this is my life, here is my cards, this is where it’s at. Now you can either pause here, and judge, or you can keep watching to see… Watch. And pray.”
In the end, Lexi wrapped up the show by stating that “It is my belief that man is made for a woman, and woman is made for a man. I believe the Bible speaks clearly about this. However, as a journalist, it is my job to tell the story. And as a Christian, it is my job to LOVE unequivocally and unapologetically.”
On a personal note: Tonex, I applaud you for being as honest and open as you are and I WILL pray for you as you live this walk out in front of us all. I don’t think I can think of more than a handful of artists who are willing to do that for the Body of Christ. I don’t agree with every stance you’ve taken, but I can definitely appreciate your transparency and your journey.
So yeah… I think the interview was BRILLIANTLY done and I can’t wait for next Saturday (it’s on The Word Network… check local listings)!
Who else caught it and what did you think???
Well EJ, I saw the show and I was very surprise of the info Tonex provided. Honestly, I respect the dude for putting it out there. My concern is the young generation, it sad to say, but they are not word based and I know alot of them are going to grab this matter and run with it. He said he is not saying it's right, but if it's wrong, he is waiting on . I was amazed he said that he was still going to Pastor. I caight on that he is a "Artist", he didn't say a "Gospel Artist".
He is waiting on Jesus to fix or deliverance. Lexi did a excellent job. Great job for the first show kick off.
Wow!! have not been on here for a while and NOW I see why!! This should not be advertised. The DEVIL is THRILLED!! EJ what do you mean when you say Kudos to Lexi for NOT have churcified music as an intro?? Is that a bad thing now?? I sooooo look forward to a site/resource that is NOT ashamed of the GOSPEL!! God help us all. I have soooooooo many things to overcome in my life! One thing I learned as a child and am greatful for is that "Wrong is WRONG!" Don't try to sugar coat it or sweeten it up! Gospel sites should promulagte the GOSPEL!! That's really what I need in my life. This Lexi article was NOT a blessing to meat all!! This is not JUST about Tonex, but most so called Gospel Outlets advertise more for Satan than God. I scrolled and saw the 'Whispers' had a news report.....ummmmmmmmm...why???!!!!
I applaud Tonex for his honesty and transparancy. Having been involved in gospel music for a long time, I was aware of those who tried to hide their homosexuality. I was also aware of gospel artists who also fell short of the mark (myself included) While I don't condone homosexuality, I do applaud Tonex keeping it real. God is a God of love and mercy. There aren't degrees of sin. Thanks so much for the update. I really appreciate it.
The devil has many devices and people that do not pray are trapped by them. All these Kudos for Lexi is misplaced. I believe that she is being used by the devil to give a platform to people who believe they can be save and practice a homosexual lifestyle. I do not even know if she is aware of this. I challenge all of us to search our life and see what kind of prayer life we have. The Holy Spirit will only reveal truth through consistent prayer. I do not have a problem with her letting him tell his story but as a born again christian she has an obligation to tell him what the word says and challenge him saying that he will continue to pastor. And say what??? She tried to play loose by the little disclaimer at the end but not to him. People stop letting people play with your soul. We all know what is right. If God has changed his mind about sin then he has been unfair to the generations before us. If we can pick out of the bible what we want then we have to throw it all away. Everyone seems to pick out what pleases their flesh and try to justify our behavior. The bible is clear about one thing. Sex outside of marriage is a sin, whether it is same sex or opposite sex. The world is sin sick because the church is sin sick. Let's not talk but pray that the church with earnestly seek God for a true restoration.
I saw it and Lexi did a great job. She is a great journalist. Also, with Tonex, I commend him for speaking the truth and telling who he is. I mean don't get me wrong, it's a tricky situation....but, you can see that he is blessed from the songs he writes. And lol, I already knew the self-righteous Christians would have a problem with this ep, and even this post.
WOW ! Im mad I missed the interview. I will definitely tune in next week. Tonex should be applauded for his honesty. We ALL know that has been going on in church. Not weighing on weather it is right on wrong BUT homosexuality is present in the church and always has been. It takes courage to put your business on front street and petition saints to pray for you. Id rather someone be honest as opposed to preach and sing hard in the pulpit then secretly pass your phone number out when church is over. Lets pray that we all live a life where GOD is pleased, not man, not the church - GOD IS GOD ALL BY HIMSELF !!
People,.. People...People......lol..SMH "People" Cant Live with them....Cant Live without 'em..lol Im So Happy to know a "Perfect Person" Dont Exist! -GL
@Bill: I noticed your absence, but had no idea that you hadn't been visiting the site based on what you perceived to be my "advertising for Satan." With my blog, I have earnestly sought to portray the reality of THE GOSPEL, in action. In order to do that, my site, like the Bible, must give an account of both man's fallen condition AND Christ's redemption and salvation. I don't feel that, by discussing that The Whispers are making an album of music to glorify God, or by addressing something that a Christian feels (whether we agree or disagree with him), that I have in some way failed to depict THE GOSPEL in action. My wife often says that we see, and wrongly judge, based on snapshots of a person's life. And I agree. Take a snapshot of the life of Peter, cursing and denouncing Christ. Then, take a snapshot of him building the church. Take a snapshot of a thief robbing people day-by-day, then take a snapshot of that same thief on a cross next to Jesus Christ, after being promised to see Christ in glory. The reality is that each of our lives has dirt and grime throughout them. To acknowledge that is not to advertise Satan-- it's to glorify Christ and tell of the work that He's performed. As an aside, churchified music is not necessarily a "bad" thing, but it is limited. It is a style of music to which not everyone can relate. And if our goal, as Christians, is to become all things to all men, that we might win some, it doesn't benefit our cause to live inside some exclusive "club" that Christ never called us to be in. In fact, he denounced people like that-- called 'em Pharisees. I pray that you'll take the time to look past people's thought processes, whether you agree with them or not, and simply LOVE them. Let's all do better about STARTING at love. Bless you, man, and I hope you'll continue to visit the site-- I've always enjoyed having you around.
I was waiting for you to post something on this for a little while. I must also thank Lexi for her realness in asking questions. I mean everyone is doing interviews with these artists and asking the same questions. I'm thankful she is not following the rest of the pack. I mean come on they are people too and we need different information more than what we can read online. Not too personal which leads me to the interview with Tonex. I am not judging him but since he stated it his self i will go based off of what he said. Some of Tonex's answers to questions really scared me. I mean i have to wonder what was really going through his head. All I know is I will no longer support him just the thought of knowing about his current lyfestyle and what the music could really be for hint hint just grosses me out. I will pray for him but I will no longer support him.In the midst of this God is still able to deliver him if he allows him to. As far as him being set free he has to fast and pray the Bible says that these things come by fasting and praying.
This post really bothers my spirit. As God has delivered me from homosexuality; however, it was not an easy thing to do, the devil has a constent target on you to try and use everyone against you. And it's always as if they want you to believe and justify the Bible to go back to your old ways. With Tonex confessing that he likes men I do not think that it should be "boasted" in this matter, because homosexuality is on the rise in every community. Whether it's the known or the unknown factor around you it is real. Will this show to young kids just another reason why they being homosexual is okay? Seeing that he is a leader in his communityand his church. Justification to do what your doing always makes it seem so much better for your reason of doing it. As I was going thru my storm, God had to show me and speak to me on many nights. Tonex is going to have to pray and believe in God for deliverance IF he truly wants to come out of homoseuxality, because he needs to forgive his molesters for molesting him instead of using that as a crutch for his actions now.
Fact of the matter is...Tonex is keeping it real. That's what the church lacks in GREAT abundance: Transparency. We are so busy hiding behind titles, gifts, our calling and our "anointing", covering up sin instead of laying it out so that God can deal with it. There are a host of us rolling in the hay on Saturday yet jumping up singing and shouting on Sunday morning. Then we have the audacity to immediately conclude that the "devil is busy" when someone comes forward to openly discuss his or her struggle. GOD is busy. He is using people in various ways to reach those whom a fancy suit, a ragged bible and a church fan can't reach! God is bigger and greater than the box and four walls to which we confine him. We need MORE people like Tonex to just come out and be REAL and HONEST. Not just about homosexuality, but so many of us are bound by addictions, sex, low-self esteem, lying, backbiting, and the like. We need this kind of open dialogue within our churches, but it's almost impossible. Why? Because there is no platform within the traditional church for a person to stand up and say, "I'm dealing with homsexuality". It can happen, but that person had better get outta town quick. The saints will be knocking down their door with out of context scriptures that they don't fully believe or live by. We know that the word of God is sharper that a two-edged sword. The word cuts and breaks, but it also heals and restores. We need to learn that sometimes you have to take the message of LOVE to a person FIRST. They are already broken, torn, and wounded by life and their afflictions and they often need to know that GOD LOVES THEM. If we can't talk about it within the CHURCH (The BODY of Christ) then where do we go to discuss it? Nowhere. We continue to suffer in silence, hiding it until we get exposed and then all of a sudden you're free. Fact of the matter is, being exposed doesn't take aware the desire to sin. The shame, the embarrassment, the guilt, and the ridicule prevents you from wanting to do it, but the desire is there. OPEN and stop being so foolish in your thinking. Be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind.
I watched the interview. Lexi is something! Tonex is one talented brother or should I say artist...lol. Seriously, I wish him well and will remember him in prayer as he continues on his life journey. I know it sounds cliche but God really is not through with him yet.
@Har'Rell: Thank You! No one is condoning homosexuality. The body of Christ should be seeking out the lost. We should be a place where people can fall. We can challenge them and love them until they return to Christ. There is no platform or place where sexual imorality can be spoken of in the church. It's the most addictive sin out their, yet the church keeps the door closed when it comes knocking. That's why it's such a cancer in the church now. No one wants to speak on it! Where else do you want this brother to fall? We have our noses so deep in the Bible that we fail to "be" the Bible. You can speak on his imperfections and at the same time give him a voice to express them. Isn't that the way God handles us? Confessing leads to redemption. Do you want him to start going to gay churches? The reason why gay churches are formed is because the church keeps the door closed to people who need life spoken into their hearts. Lets be the church people!
I want to know where did you guys watch this show at...did it air on the networks and where can I see the Tonex interview at?
I railed against NOT playing Tonex as a gospel DJ a few years ago, still playing Lord Make Me Over and such. But this is why transparency shouldn't be selective. Everyone is applauding Tonex for being real...fact of the matter is, he should have been REAL in the 1st place. If this is how he felt, he should have been an ARTIST and not a Gospel Artist. I cannot support someone who blantantly sins against God. I love Tonex, he will always been one a great singer to me but that is now not enough for me to continue to support him....unless he trying to deliver people from homosexuality with his music and not promote it. What happened to "Don't Ask, Don't Tell"? Why is the church FORCED to affirm something that is wrong? People have made it a fault of the church that homosexuality is rampant....this is the fault of men. The gates of hell CANNOT prevail against God's Church. Condoning sin is the same as committing it in God's eyes. I have prayed for Tonex and I leave it in his hands. Continuing to pray for someone who DOESN'T want to change is not a good exercise of faith.
Well, I had heard about the interview but didn't know much about what was said. I applaud Tonex for his honesty and confession as I applauded Kirk Franklin for his confession about his addiction to pornography (but I don't remember this kind of uproar maybe it was because he was looking at "straight" porn). I do not agree that he should still Pastor a church if he is still living the "gay" lifestyle. Remember people it is not a sin to be tempted only when we yield to that temptation. The word of God is very clear when it comes to homosexuality/lesbianism "IT IS AN ABOMINATION" and we as the Church must cry loud and spare not. Sometimes I think that we act as if homosexuality is the only or the biggest sin in the bible but the word says that "all" unrightousness is sin and the soul that sin shall surely die. Liars are going to the same hell as praticing homosexuals. Some of the same men that are condemning homosexuals are also sleepping with any and every woman they can and they are not married to them, news flash, if you do not repent and cease from sin you are going to hell. I don't uphold Tonex in his mess but at least he had the courage to confess it because most people operate in secret sins.
This conversation is both hilarious and sad. There are so many questions I have that I can't ask all of them. I'm reading that many of you have concluded a fall. How is being honest now automatically a fall? If gospel artists admit to having smoked cigarettes for 50 years, or cussing out their staff right after ministering, would that be a fall? In the interview, he clearly states that there is an attraction to the same gender. OK? Donnie McClurkin has stated that he still wrestles with such an attraction. Has he fallen? As much as we are justifiably accountable to our brothers in the faith, I'm certain Tonex isn't losing any sleep over people who do not "condone" his actions. Most of us are not putting food on his table, and purchasing a CD really doesn't give us a right to decide one's standing with the Lord. As for "don't ask, don't tell", that may be one of the most ignorant things I've ever heard. I'm all for sagacity regarding what to tell and to whom to tell it, but the Word also encourages us confess ye one to another. The confession isn't so one can be pushed out until he gets right in your eyes as you "pray" for him, but it's so we can be restored. Trust me. You may not have struggled with sexuality, but if I were to follow you home, there's something with which you need to be restored. I'm so thankful that when a radio station won't play Tonex, or when a church won't have him, that God hears every melody and prayer. Jesus told Peter how Satan desired to have him, not for personal gain, but so that he could sift him as wheat--how disheartening and callous. What's even more shocking is that we are living in a time where Satan doesn't have to do the sifting, the embarrassing, and such; we are doing it out our own brothers. Some of you couldn't lead me to a drink of water, not to mention the irrefutable, all encompassing love of Christ. And for every scripture that follows this regarding holiness, I am all for having one's life as a living sacrifice unto God's agenda, but we must be ever so cognizant to love your neighbor as YOURSELF. We don't love people as much as we do a 3rd cousin, so loving someone as yourself is an ultimate challenge. But I heard Bishop Jakes say this once, and it's one of those statements that gives me greater revelation as I grow. Please allow me paraphrase: You can't dislike someone or look down on someone when you're praying for them--prayer will give you a burden and an understanding so deeply about the person that you won't let anyone disparage them.
The issue here is not Tonex's honesty. Transparency and honesty is a crucial part of growing in Christ. Rather, the issue is his unrepentant heart and attitude. It is his "flossing" of this homosexuality and his blatant confrontation to believers that they better NOT judge him. We can pray for Tonex, but we as his siblings in Christ ought not pat him on the back, nor raise the banner of honest sinners. We all fall short, yet our response to our fall, our response to our sin ought to be that of a contrite heart, people who are aware of our mess and ashamed before a Holy God. God is not mocked, He as not changed, and the standards of holiness remain the same. Tonex doesn't get a pass. My prayer is that he repent before he is disqualified.
Good points, Eric and Jason. I cannot believe that Hernandes stated don't ask, don't tell....WOW. In this day and time, you prefer for them to lie, gossip, and have a perfect life. Don't get me wrong, I "feared" Tonex answers and I assumed that he would have found a way to explain his side but he gave the truth. I almost thought that Tonex had the same belief like Carlton Pearson. He is not to far from it. I am very curious on what kind of members are attending his church. I think Lexi did greaet job again. She asked some questions that I wanted to know, such as what he was doing with this dressing, hairstyle, and make up. I don't think it was her place to debate with him or pass judgement. Some of you already doing that.
just weighing in. there's quite a bit posted here. I agree that transparency is something that we don't get to see every day from our Gospel Artists. Do we need to? Are we revealing our innermost thoughts to them? I think that to me, the most disturbing thing about this blog is not that Tonex has acknowledged some radical behavior, but hasn't acknowledged that it is wrong.
The fact is that a lot of people are talking, but people aren't really praying. When I say praying, I mean really praying and believing with an attitude of love. God also commands us to pray for our enemies. So if we are to pray for our enemies, then certainly we must pray those in the body. Our prayer becomes ineffective when we do not pray with the right attitude. AND, before you pray on someone else, pray on yourself. Furthermore, I believe honesty is an important prerequisite to deliverance. However, our churches are not deliverance-friendly. True deliverance (as Bishop George Bloomer has stated) is completely losing the desire for a thing. Deliverance is an ongoing process until God has finished with us in an area of our lives. We all must crucify our flesh daily so that it can die. What you don't feed will starve/die. That's both fact and truth. If we as a corporate body can pray and intercede for our brother, I believe God will hear and answer prayer. Prayer does change things--not religiosity and self-righteous. In no way is sin excusable, but the Bible say that love covers a multitude of sin. Let's all pray and believe God for Tonex.
I truly love Tonex and will definitely be praying for him. I also appreciate his honesty. My biggest concern is his leadership role in the church and the lives of those baby Christians who will be negatively impacted by his example. We are all "in process". The Holy Spirit is busy forming the image of Christ in all believers at all times. I have no doubt about that. However, when it comes to leadership in the Body we have to look at the needs of our younger brothers and sisters in the Lord, and remove ourselves as necessary until we are whole. If we don't, we risk sowing seeds of discord and deception within the Body. For that, there is never an excuse.
I am a great fan and great friend of Ton3x. I know him quite well. He is an awesome man of God and he has gifts and talents that far exceed greatness. I applaud his honesty and transparency. We overcome by the blood of the Lamb and by the word of our testimony. I think the greatest of him is still yet to come. His anointing is of such that he can change the world. I'm praying that God will help him do just that!
@Tiffany The show aired this past Saturday on The Word Network. I think they are repeating the same episode today (Wednesday).
Everyone: I'm glad someone mentioned that the man on the cross "admitted" his faults. He is the one that was forgiven and promised an eternal life. Truly, I love this blog; and today while viewing my soul was satisfied again. I examined my own faults again and I remembered that God is able to help all who ask for his assistance. *Deliverance is coming in the Name of Jesus Christ. I claim it right now for all who want the victory over sin. Sin has temporary pleasures followed by mental turmoil, depression, and confusion. For all who are reading, let's pray about this together in unity. I love my gospel artists and the music they create (Gifts from God) and I will fight for all of them. Pray for me too! I want the Lord's power to reign down as much as I can receive. Be blessed everyone.
I just saw this interview a couple of minutes ago and I am very sad about it. It is one thing to know that a person is struggling with something but for him to say that he is going to heaven based on the fact that he is tranparent and told the truth is WRONG!! Yes I do understand this is an issue in the church body today and needs to be addressed but when it is done so it should also be dispelled with scripture. There should be no debate on it either. he could have given his answer and my response would have been "but the bible says this.." and it would have been over with. TRY THE SPIRIT BY THE WORD. I am concerned because what if a younger male having homosexual feelings saw this as a way to justify homosexual actions and loses his soul? Yes we all struggle with something but that does not make it okay to justify it! I am praying for Tonex and definately getting my house in order because seeing this has convinced me that these are the last days. BE BLESSED
The bottom line inorder to see Jesus we must follow the word of God. I feel sorry for Tonex. We can not make up standards for ourselves. Each of will pass into eternity , a heaven or hell. how could he play with his soul like that and let alone put this trash out to our young men . i hope that he will turn from his wicked ways and repent , the times are showing that Jesus is comming and the rapture will be taking place pretty soon.I will pray from him because no man can take hell. A short night of passion with a man is not worth it compared to enternity in hell .
After reading this post and all the comments I have to say that i was sadden... but at the same time I will continue to do my duty as a solider for the Lord and not judge (cause it not my job.. it's God's) but rather lift up my brother Tonex in prayer. I do not condone homosexuality in the least bit but i admonish you to love your bother but hate their sin and know that it is no one but the devil For those of you leaving comments bashing him are already giving the devil what he wants and need to turn your face toward prayer also, you so called "self-righteous" Christians leaving comments that are more hurtful than helpful.... we don't need em and telling you from self personal experience usually the ones leaving comments like that are the main ones hiding in their own iniquity and feel comfortable pointing fingers at those who are willing to be transparent and willing to change their ways rather than point to theirselves and seek God for deliverance. I believe this is a bigger situation and catches more flack than Kirk Franklin's and Donnie McKlurkin's situations because it Tonex...many people are still hurt from his fallout in gospel music a few years back and are still waiting for him to take that knife out their back but even then we should have forgived and moved on he may not be what we think he should be in OUR minds but we should forgive and pray, Jesus whole ministry on earth came down to one thing...forgiveness, tell me i'm wrong? why was He sent to earth by the Father in the first place? to forgive everyone in the world for their sins even the ones on this post who put up a fake mask that shows they been living right since day one. EJ thanks for this post brother your doing a great job with this site you are not "advertising for the devil" this is your ministry and it is touching lives IN THE RIGHT WAY whether you know it or not and for those who think otherwise i wouldn't mess with the man of God im sure those children in the Bible teasing the man of God wish they hadn't either after being eaten by that she-bear lol God Bless All
@M I totally agree with you 100 percent!
Yes Har ell the church lacks transparency. And I totally agree with LUVGOODSANGIN that Tonex did not say what he was doing is wrong. Also many post in this blog, people have said "I don't agree" but failed to say that it is WRONG. What has the Body of Christ come to? I agree with not promoting this, but i thank EJ for the info. Now I know not to support this man. Yes pray for him, but also pray for the countless young people who do "struggle" with this knowing in their hearts that this is not right but seeing a man claim to be a man of God saying that this is who I am. God help us . . .
I shared a few of my thoughts on this show here: http://blog.christocentric.com/2009/09/09/gospel-singer-tonex-admits-to-being-gay/ I thought Lexi did an excellent job and I liked the way she ended the program. I shared excerpts from that show on my blog post including what Tonex said about his homosexuality and what Lexi said at the very end.
Chad, you said all I could ever say, Brother. Ditto!
Tonex was honest & transparent? So what! My problem is him still pastoring & singing Gospel & it''s not the saints who judges it's the word of God who judges him. By him Pastoring & Singing Gospel he's sending a mix & confuses message that God accepts me as I am and If your gay he will except you in that life style. No NO NO! He needs to sit down until he get's it right! How can u say I prayed to God and he hasn't delivered me yet. God told Isarael if you walk in my ways I will keep sickness from you. In other words it requires an effort on your part to renounce the works of the flesh & God will meet you there b/c who knows the heart better than God? And if you heart wants deliverance you will get it why? Jesus said I am a rewarder of THEM that DILIGENTLY seek me. Yes lets pray for the brother that he gets right but pray for his church/followers. Woe unto the pastors that scatter my sheep. Yes he was real & honest & what you call real & honest I call it promoting your lifestyle. Because he Tonex brought it public it's times for those in Authority to tell him to sit down. They renounce & denounced carlton pearson when he went public about his doc. of inclusion. Pray Pray Pray Anything that goes against God is Anti God and if it's anti God then we know what it is......
Amen on that SJC! AMEN 100%
I disgree, SJC! No one has it together. No one.
As a former member of Tonex's Church my heart aches! I love him so much and have known him for over 30 years! I have watched him grow and perform and teach and Preach like no other! The boy is gifted! HOWEVER there is NO excuse for him or anyone else to glorify the fact that he has NOT chosen to continue in his deliverance! Now, as a former bisexual FULLY Delivered by the Holy Ghost for 15 years i know that COMPLETE DELIVERANCE is very possible and real! Choose you this day whom you are gonna serve. My soul and y childrens souls were to important for me to sit up underneath a Holyness Preacher who is double minded and unstable in all his ways. Knowing that he knows better and the Saints there do too, but have made him an Idol and have CHOOSEN to stay blinded and in an ocult state where the are following MAn and not GOD anymore or his Word. I say that Dr. Betty (Tonex's Mom) and him will have the Saints blood on there hands by teaching and Preaching with dirty hands! No excuse. Many will say in that day Lord Lord, and he will say Depart from me ye workers of iniquity and never knew you. God gives gifts without repentance, so gifted he truely truely is but, God is not in this. The Spirit he is operating under is NOT GOD and if you are still a member and reading this you better run fast! Because your soul is NOT worth losing to keep a friend, or a "FUN PASTOR". If you wanna have freedom or fun, go to The Rock Church. Or to another Church where atleast the Pastor is striving for Holiness and you can follow them as they follow Christ. Read your Word and Pray we are in the last and evil days. The devil would fool the very elect if it were possible. Don't be fooled by everywind and doctrine. Seriously ask God for yourself don't let anyone think for you PLEASE!!! I'm begging you for your own soul sake, SAVE YOURSELF!!!!! Love, your sister in The Lord!
That's right SJC!!!! Real talk!
AMEN former Truth Member! I have written about Tonex on my blog and I had been praying that Tonex put himself under a strong pastor such as mine (Pastor Miles at the church you mentioned, The Rock Church). Tonex is so gifted but his gifts are being used for the devil's purpose. What better way for the devil to have people believe you can feign holiness while wallowing in sin? Satan is quite happy at Tonex's disobedience right now. My heart aches for all the people that are eating up everyword that proceeds from his mouth without searching the scriptures themselves. But you said it all beautifully and being someone closely associated with Tonex and his family, I know your prayers are REAL!
Oh and ditto SJC too!
I saw the interview last night (UK Viewers) and I was disappointed more with Lexi. We are our brother's keeper and this type of issue is a Pastoral issue and if it was to be aired it should only have been shown to his Pastor or Bishop. It is a private matter and as a fellow Christian Lexi should not have taken advantage of his situation in order to make 'The Lexi Show'. This is a private matter and one that Lexi should have stood as a Christian not a Journalist. The question we should ask is why did Lexi make this show? By letting the Christian audience see where he is at what profit was there? I think if she was honest she was feeding the Gossip. The time could have been better used to encouraging the brother. Lexi needs to relize she is accountable for that interview not as a journalist but as a Christian unto God.
Lexi's interview profited the Christian world greatly. Tonex is a very public person and had already drawn many questions by the words from his mouth and his very public participation in events like going on a cruise specifically for gays. His actions required a very public response and as Christians we are also required to judge one another. As far as the elders? Rebuking them publicly is also commanded: "Them that sin rebuke before all, that others also may fear. " 1 Timothy 5:20. Lexi even questioned Tonex about his actions while pastoring. She WAS her brother's keeper by asking him very important questions. If Tonex had wanted to keep this private, no one was twisting his arm to make his responses public. So don't blame Lexi, she did what we needed her to do: bring the truth of this darkness to the public. We need to know about this wayward pastor!
I for one was soooo saddened to hear about the things Tonex said. I think some of us here are confused about what Tonex was doing in this interview. Just answering questions truthfully doesnt justify unrighteous living. THE BIBLE IS CLEAR...and this has nothing to do with so called self righteous Christians...No one can point fingers because we have all sinned and fallen short of God's glory. I just dont understand how you can operate CONTINUALLY in sin and try to lead God's people. Its heartbreaking because Tonex is annointed and gifted, but gifts come without repentance. Everyone is applauding him for his "Transparency" and such, but he wasnt being transparent in order to help others in the same situation, he was just stating "what is". So what was the point? Now if he was giving a Absolution (a public release of guilt or sin) in order to grow closer to God and deliverance then thats one thing, but its clear that he wasnt. I once heard a preacher say that we will never be delivered from something until we HATE it, or rather Hate how it makes us feel concerning our relationship with God. Right now it appears that he doesnt hate the state that he's in and I dont think he's in God's will for his life...and thats a dangerous place to be.
@ M, Chad and Parker #1, These are good points. @FirstLadyB, I disagree with holding Lexi accountable, it seems like you have that don't ask, don't tell attitude. It's sad that Tonex told the truth but before the truth, I am sure the saints was gossiping and trying to put the puzzle together. Overall we must pray for this brother and utilize the word at all times.
I am sensitive to the Body Of Christ, realizing we are not in our final, state ; but no less we are the body of Christ. So we must be caeful of what we say and how we treat or entreat on another. I was raped and beaten and left in the street to die on a christmas eve; raped by eight men. it never occured to me that because of this I should be with a woman. I believe gay lifestyles is a choice, and one we do not have to die in or for. The bible clearly states, "Lay Aside Every Weight and Every Sin". Someone said earlier, that Tonex iswaiting for Jesus to deliver him and fix it. Well He already did, now He is waiting for you to trust Him with all of it, and when you do what you are supposed to, then He Will Fix It. Even though Tonex has been transparent, how can he have peace, there is a constant war going on in him. I ecourage the body to pray, we are going to hear more and more of these testemonies, Jesus said it best, "These Things Must Be," It is a part of the things that will take place during these end times.
What is wrong with him admitting that he is gay? Some other artist are doing the same exact thing Tonex is doing but they just haven't come out yet. If he is happy with life than i'm happy for him. And we should let God deal with the situtation in his own.
Christina I agree with you. Let the man live his life. He's a peace with what he did. Actually I wish more gospel artists would man up and do the same because EVERYBODY knows it! I wish Tonex continued success in life!
I watched the interview on Wednesday evening on the Word Network and it not only saddened me, but it also sickened me. For the record, let me say that I have been a huge Tonex fan for a minute. The guy is talented no doubt. My opinion is.................. I think it's different when a person is struggling with a sin, know it to be sin and they are trying to be delivered from it, but for Tonex to say that NO he's not "struggling" with it (homosexuality), it suggests to me that he knows he's gay and to be quite honest it appears in the interview that he was acting like he was ok with it and proud of the fact that he is gay and God is pleased because he was "transparent" and admitting it. WHAT IS TONEX THINKING????? I was just looking at the tv going I AM NOT BELIEVING WHAT I'M HEARING. Tonex was just bold with it. Then he goes on to say that he is going to heaven based on the fact that he is transparent and not hiding it like some other artists and preachers do . That is the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. God is not pleased but yet God is grieved. What concerns me the most is that Tonex is still preaching and spewing this misinformation and people are still following him. Yes I know, I know, we all struggle with something but that does not make it okay to justify it and continue in the sin. Holiness is STILL RIGHT!!
I haven't had a chance to view this to hear exactly what was said. I know how words can be distorted and changed from exactly what came out of Mr. William's mouth. I've seen so many dropped mouths & wows from Christians/supposed lovers of Christ quick to judge and it has been so sickning. I have even held a couple of conversations with Christocentric and I have yet to see any point that she has attempted to make along with many on here that were quick to throw Ton3x out of the window of the 75th floor of WTC2 building shortly after the attacks. I understand that he's being held to a higher standard. I understand that his feet should be held to the fire; hell, that's totally understood. I don't have anyone to compare him to, to even go there like most of you have done ("He should submit to my pastor", child boo, like your pastor is all that...). At the end of the day, we still have to cover this man with prayer and love him where he is. Isn't that what Christ does for us, or have I missed his coming and the rules and regulations have changed and have been handforced by the vote of the pew warmers? According to some of your actions; He loves us and when we don't get it right, He turns his back and writes us off of his conditional list? That is so not the True and Living Son of God that I feel in love with or have a relationship with. I'm not here to justify anything that he's said; yet to commend him for pushing where he is because if some of you have been following him, you should realize that he's been transparent with his audience since Pronounced Toe-nay. Go back and reaquaint yourselves and then look at that man in your mirror and before making that change, ASK GOD to direct your paths before you open up your mouth and let that pink tornado destroy lives. N8ion, if you are out there reading this dude, I have told you time and time again and you know exactly who I am...I gotchu. You are my brother and you are always in my prayers. Love you all and let's continue to hold this brother's hand as we interceed on his behalf and not hold witch hunts against him.
1. Lexi is a reporter and she had a job to do so she did it. 2. She did not know what he was going to say. 3. She did give her opinion and say that homosexuality is wrong because the Bible made that clear even though she isn't supposed to. The problem: airing this satanic-crafted crap on the Word Network. I'm sure that wasn't her decision but the network which is probably ran by a secular company decided it was what we, as saints, wanted to hear. To love him shouldn't be the question...the Bible says we must love EVERYONE! To judge him isn't really the problem....the Bible says "the Saints shall judge the world" To earnstly pray for him.....well, let's see where our power is, Saints! This is soooooo sad!!!!! PRAY ,SAINTS, PRAY!!!!!!!!
Parker, That is so true! I agree. He obviously does not hate where he is, that is why there is no struggle for him.
Terry Pep Carter!!!! If don't nobody else on here know better I know you do. IT IS NOT A TESTIMONY IF GOD DOESN'T GET THE GLORY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
AND IF YOU'RE NOT YET DELIVERED!!!!!!!!!!!! Friend or not! Gifted, Talented, Anointed or not! Pastor or not! Real or Not! You are not a "man of God" in this state of mind and spirit because you DO NOT represent His thoughts, His desires, His Word, His Will, nor His Glory!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I dare someone to disagree!
By the way, I am the Christina that is AGAINST sin not for it! (not to be confused)
If you still have not seen the interview it has been posted. Part 1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=970nMJ_nhIg Part 2 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=01kBZErtMEw
One thing that we must remember, and I'm sure somebody else said this is "For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance." Rom 11:29. He is gifted, and even as he bragged "to not forget how he has ushered many into the presence of God", but the Bible also lets us know in Heb 10:26 "For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins". He still has an opportunity to be reconciled to God as long as he has life in his body, but for him to say there is no struggle leads me to believe he is not seeking to be free, and he has a reprobate mind! We have to resist the devil, and then he will flee after we have taken a stand to not make provision for the flesh! Some believe "ONCE SAVED, ALWAYS SAVED", but not so! Holiness is still right, and I think it is incumbent upon our Church Fathers who have a platform on par with that of Tonex to openly rebuke him, so as the word says that others might fear!
I've posted Lexi's youtube videos (parts 1, 2 and 3) of her interview with Tonex if any of you would like to view it. Look under the Sept. 9, at 9:14 comment for my blog url.
This is MADNESS we are truely living in the end time. According to our creators word this is evil and sinful. There is no arguement. He had a beautiful wife and instead he chooses to lay with men. NOT GOOD.
Yes Kevin Lewis. That is so true! This is my last post about the situation because i do not want to turn this into gossip which is just as bad as any other Sin. However after we've talked, typed, gotten saddened or shocked let us as AC Williams (Tonexs late father) would say. "Lets keep the main thing the main thing" Making Heaven your home. So Pray he is not turned over t a reprobate mind. And have a desire to repent. Because if He dosent have a desire to seek repentance and live Holy, are Prayers are in Vain. SO, be an example to the believer as the Scripture says and BE HOLY for God is Holy! Holiness without which NO man shall see GOD. & you close friends around him still are gonna be held accountable as well for NOT telling him he is wrong just for friendship sake. Ask yourself How much do you really love N8ion? Enough to care for his soul? Or more for his feelings? So let us all Repent the Kingdom of God is at hand. In Jesus Name Amen.
Enough is enough. It is time for the people of God to stop living like the world. God has not changed and His Word has not either. Everyone giving kudos to Tonex for being transparent. He didn't need to confess that to Lexi and think he was doing the Christian community a favor. I am so tired of this keep it real mentality and no one questions anyone on the matter. It is time for preachers and Christians to stop accepting foolishness in the body of Christ. We want to beat around the bush about the topic of homosexuality. We want to preach prosperity and nothing else, but the body of Christ is falling short of showing the Light of Jesus. Homosexuality is a dark spirit, so patting Tonex on the back for being transparent. Jesus is Light not darkness. It is no where in the Bible that God accepted this behavior OT or NT. God made man in His image. I am so tired of these shows let's talk religion and all we are doing is having a circus and allowing the devil to move in this foolishness. It is a shame now I cannot even find Christian music anymore, because half our artist are gay. I can't support this. I am not perfect in anyway, but I am striving and pressing forward for God to renew and remove the blemishes from my life. I am not going to throw any names out, but I have stopped looking at several Christians shows and purchasing music because the music and lifestyle are not lining up. We are entertaining the people and not ministering anything about God. I have to stand before God and answer for several things, but giving Tonex a pat on his back will not be one of them. I have a son to raise and he will know this will not be accepted in anyway. I prayed for a boy to become a man and to marry a woman, not a man. My position will not change as long as I serve the True and Living Savior.
We understand that the bible says confession is good for the soul. I would have loved to hear Tonex say that he needed deliverance, prayer and help, I don't recall him saying that in the interview with the exception of prayer. When we as saints fall into temptation we should not expect for people to close their eyes to it because of maybe short comings in their own lives. The Bible says we are helpers one to another, therefore we should help one another along the way. Iron sharpens iron. Preacher, teachers etc. cannot be silent when things are prevalent amongst the saints just because of problems that they are having or have had, but what they should do in respect to Christ is to step down and allow God to restore them before they minister to someone else. I am praying for Tonex because it is clear that he is confused, we can quote all the scriptures that we want but Tonex must realize that he needs help first. Acknowledgment is the first step to progress.
Man this is so sad. I am in tears after reading both the interview snapshop and the comments of the people. First let me say that freedom of speech is an American concept, not a KINGDOM concept. Stop commenting about things that you have not experienced. Pray for this man. The enemy used his experiences at an early age to plant a seed of homosexuality. It is not his fault. We have ONE enemy and that is Satan. ALL have sinned and come short of Gods glory. This is the very reason that people dont come forth to the body of Christ with struggles. We have a serious need for love right in the House of God. I believe God will deliver Tonex in His own time. His Word says that He that hath begun a good work in you shall perform it until the day of Christ return. We will all laugh at Satan and his failed attempts to take us out with various vices. We are victorious through Christ Jesus.
As I was reading the comments it disheartened me that as christians some of us miss the essence of what CHRIST deems as a christian. Tonex just like every last one of us has a struggle, and Bill, you may not have needed what he said but somebody did, and because of his honesty someone was able to say if he can go through it and be transparent unlike most, then I don't have to take my life, I don't have to live in the bed of depression, I don't have to hate myself, so although you could not relate to his message, I wonder if Lexi interviewed someone about drug addiction would you have needed that, or how about spousal abuse, maybe having an affinity to children, or how about this, how about addicted to pornography, would you have needed that testimony. So as you have soooooooo many struggles that you need to overcome, the first, is lack of LOVE my brotha. Learn to love and your " sooooooooo " will be shortened. Blessings
Did ANYone catch what Tonex said in part 3, if you saw it? In part 3 of the interview, as seen on youtube, from 5:17-5:36 -referencing his same gender attraction as “this thing”, and speaking as though praying to God, then in midsentence speaking generally about the issue, Tonex says, “…take…this thing out…I don’t want it. He hasn’t done it yet. I’m banking on the fact that His grace is…efficient. And that He knows the end of this….better than I do.” It appears to me that Tonex has and wants this issue to die. He knows God is able. However God has not changed his desires. He is being honest about how he feels. Why claim you dont have the desires, when in fact, you really do? Ironically, many professing Christians do this (self-denial, or rather public denial) on many issues, ESPECIALLY this one. Yet they are no more "delivered" than the next individual they bite with their words. I know from experience. But then again, dont we all....
Its not for God to "take" the desire from him. . .thats like saying God is the one that is tempting him when the scripture says in James 1. . ."13 Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man: 14 But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed. 15 Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death". Brother Tonex has/is making excuses for his lifestyle, and because the Church borders more on accommodation than transformation, folks' lives do not conform to holiness! He tried to place all sexual sin under the umbrella of "lust" in one part of his explanation, but I don't recall God ever calling fornication or adultery an ABOMINATION as he does in Leviticus 18 as it pertains to homosexuality. . ."22 Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination". The bottom line is that we are commanded to be holy because God is holy, and without which (holiness) no man shall see the Lord! I am not bashing gays, because anyone that does not turn away from sin is going to hell, period, but this is the subject matter at hand, and the devil is trying to gain acceptance of this in the body of Christ, so we must attack/expose the devil in Tonex, and not Tonex himself, because it is the spirit operating in him that he has yielded to that is making him act/talk like this!
Shirley, I disagree with what you have said. Tonex said, he is not struggling! He is where he wants to be. Someone here has already said, a testimony is only that when God gets the glory. God is not Glorified in sin. If Tonex had said, help me I am struggling with this, then okay, but he said "it is not a struggle." I doesn't know if he needs deliverance. He is okay with this, and sadly, after reading these post, so are many other saints. please, if you have not, view the interview.
To those who think everyone is "JUDGING TONEX": I think that we should all remember that we are CHRISTians...therefore, trying to be CHRISTlike. And my Bible tells me that God Chastises those He loves. And we should also. When your child or family member does wrong, you show them the error of their ways, even if it hurts them sometimes...Just because many of us are REFUSING to support what Tonex is doing doesnt mean we dont love him. WE ACTUALLY LOVE HIM BY SHOWING HIM HIS ERROR THROUGH THE WORD! Now yes... some saints need to learn couth and how to approach those who need help or deliverance from certain situations (saints can do some damage!!!) I actually have a friend who struggles (and he calls it a struggle) with homosexuality and he is saved. what makes people like my friend and Tonex different is that my friend DOES NOT believe that God condones his behavior. He knows it is wrong and against the word of God (and so does Tonex). Now since he understands how God feels, its up to him to make the choice to either live according to Gods standards or his own. And when he's around me, he is VERY honest about this struggle of his. But he knows that when I tell him its wrong, Im not judging him, but trying to encourage him. Like I said before, yes we all mess up and have our issues..its our Struggle..but Tonex clearly says ,"he aint strugglin" But we must NOT avoid showing the light on this issue just because we wanna "LOVE" him and "COVER" him. Yes cover him with prayer, but DO NOT encourage his unGodly ways by saying you want to "love" him....
Kevin, James 1 deals with those who erroneously claim that God is the SOURCE of their temptation. Yet the teaching corrects this error and tells us that we are tempted and drawn away from our OWN LUST as the SOURCE. Contrarily, what I get from that small portion Tonex stated, is that there was time when he WANTED to be changed, and prayed to be changed, AND tried, yet God did not change Him. So now he waits on "deliverance" I suppose. Now if he is lying, he is lying - we can only go on what he says. Nevertheless, considering what James 1 actually means, and considering what Tonex actually said, the difference to me is this: when Tonex or anyone of us asks God to take a desire away from us, that does not automatically mean we are claiming God is the source of the desire in the first place. Continuing back to the concept of God taking desires away: we know that nothing is to hard for God (Jeremiah 32:27); with God all things are possible (Mark 10:27); withOUT Christ, we can do nothing (John 15:15) ---- so if nothing is too hard of God and rather all things are possible with God, and withOUT God we can do nothing, Christ MUST be invovled somehow in the process of forsaking any type of sin. That COULD include God taking away a desire, or changing a desire, or some action similar to that. Do the scriptures contradict this understanding? Brother, you yourself mentioned about being transformed - and I absolutely agree. Well, in the process of transformation, what is God's role? He must be invovled in some capacity - and I beleive that capacity COULD include God "taking away" in some regards. Or if I am wrong, it is certaintly not wrong to ask God to take away a desire which He disapproves. As for your mentioning of what is an abomination, while that extends beyond as a tangent concerning my initial response, I do agree with what scripture says. Additionally, there are other acts listed as an ABOMINATION. For example, lying lips are an ABOMINATION to the Lord (Proverbs 12:22). What is worse: the abominations committed sexually or the abmominations committed otherwise? Is lying worse than a woman having sex with a woman? According to the bible, BOTH are ABOMINATIONS - so which is worse? That is just it - WHY are we focusing on what sin is worse? How about we focus on the solution: JESUS! I am thinking that what Tonex was addressing is getting to the root of the issue. Also, is lust not involved in fornication? Is lust not invovled in same gender sex? It's all related. Why focus on the severity of one against the other when the bible says that ALL UNRIGHTEOUSNESS IS SIN --- 1 John 5:17. Now, let me say I disagree with MUCH of what Tonex has said - I think he is in error seriously. So yes, let us expose the darkness: Ephesians 5:11 And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather expose them. However, as far as the devil being IN tonex, I disagree. Meaning, I dont think he is filled with demons. Rather, considering the nature of a sexual struggle, I am thinking that Tonex has allowed sin to reign in his body, obeying its lusts, becoming a slave to it - (Romans 6:12-17): 12 Therefore do not let sin reign in your mortal body, that you should obey it in its lusts. 13 And do not present your members as instruments of unrighteousness to sin, but present yourselves to God as being alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness to God. 14 For sin shall not have dominion over you, for you are not under law but under grace. 15 What then? Shall we sin because we are not under law but under grace? Certainly not! 16 Do you not know that to whom you present yourselves slaves to obey, you are that one’s slaves whom you obey, whether of sin leading to death, or of obedience leading to righteousness? 17 But God be thanked that though you were slaves of sin, yet you obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine to which you were delivered. I also think Tonex is simply ignorant of some sound doctrine (in some major aspects) because of his experiences; and he is somewhat tired/defeated. How this all will end for him, I do not know. But I pray that he overcomes.
EJ... Thank you for posting this article. I am not surprised by some of the negative comments posted, although I am disappointed by them. It's obvious that a lot of people are posting without having seen the interview. It is available in it's entirety on youtube (search lexi/tonex). Tonex is a role model in my eyes. Not because he is apparently bisexual (sex with men & women) but because he is destroying hypocrisy. Even those who have posted are living double, triple, and quadruple lives...which is the thing that angered our Lord, Savior, and example, Jesus, the most. I pray for Tonex, not that he is delivered from bisexuality, but that he is drawn ever closer to the Lord..and that he is strengthened and encouraged continually.
PS I applaud Lexi both as a Christian and a journalist! She is doing Kingdom work, exposing "Christians" to life outside of "church." She seems to understand that the "gospel" is not a style of music, or "Jesus, Jesus, Jesus" but that it is a whole life whole person experience. Kudos Lexi...love ya sis
I have not read each and every single post on this board, but I have seen a few that seem either in defense of Tonex, in such a way that it is being made to seem that he is being judged, and then I am hearing the "all have sinned" scripture grossly misquoted and overused almost as a defense mechanism for times such as this! The scriptures clearly tell us to Judge not; but it doesn't stop there! It goes onto say to paraphrase that the righteous or unrighteous judgment that you administer will be the same way you will be judged! Simply put, if you dish it, you have to be able to take it! The scriptures also teach us that "the saints shall judge the world"! If Gods word says that something is a sin, and an individual happens to be practicing that and boasting of it, then who has passed judgment if they declared I am so and so? If I wear black everyday and you make an observation that I always wear black, how have you judged me if this is what I have presented to you? Yes, it is not the will of God that any should perish but that all should be brought to repentance, and yes there are those of us that have replied, including myself, that have transgressed in various areas in our lives after professing salvation, but "the sacrifices of God are a broken spirit and a contrite heart"! We don't dare walk around like "I did it, and what"?!? None of us have the authority to judge him, apart from the word of God that is, and I don't think anyone on here has said anything wrong concerning his statement of who he is and how God feels about sin!
Kevin D Lewis no one is judging tonex it's the world of God that judges him, not me or you. But you have to realize this that he is a pastor in position shepherding people. It's not like this is a rumor floating around about him, he (tonex) brought this public and it has to be address the same way he brought it. In the interview he said I am the same person who lead u in the presence of God. What is he saying? He saying how he is now is how he was then we just didn't know it and he feels it ok. Well it's not ok & we as the people of God can't be ,will not be silent on this. Anyone who ask or mentions what he said I will say 100% he is wrong and needs to sit down. Again he's pastoring people, children teenagers all who can be influence by what he says and believe God is ok with it. He said God loves that he's in covenant with the same sex. OMG is he crazy?! He also said he’s waiting on God to deliver him and he hasn't done it yet. If he trully desires to be free then he will be free Jesus will reward him who diligently seek him. But out of the heart the mouth speaks and he tonex likes the place that he is in and doesn't see what wrong with it. I don’t judge him but the word of God does and again we he goes national as a pastor saying what he said then it's up to us to set the record straight to as me that will hear that what Tonex said was wrong and show them in the word where it is wrong. Lexi at the end of the interview gave her disclaimer stating that she is a reporter & she believes in man & woman. Sorry Lexi you are a Christian who is a reporter and should have challenged him when he says he preaches the good news the gospel, She should have said well the good news in Romans 1 said you are wrong, what do u say about that? Sadly she did nothing for the sake of ratings and for there 2b a part 2 tonex interview down the road. The word judges him not I !
Absoluely not Tyrone, I just don't agree with televising saint's personal issues. If that be the cause why isn't Lexi contacting local church's and televising pretty much every other sain'ts issues? Fact of the matter is Homosexuality is just 'Sin' and the only reason why she chose to interview Tonex is because he is well known. If Tonex was not known by anyone other than is local church would she still have interviewed him? No. Lexi is doing what the world does which is when a 'celebrity (not calling Tonex one) when they fall the news and mdia jup all over them because they are known and they want ratings. The reason why I said it's a private matter for just his Bishop/Pastor is because I believe in order. I would like to hope that God forbid anyone of us should fall that a journalist would not see it as an opportunity for ratings but rather that as a Christian they would encourage me to seek council from my covering that being my Pastor. Not use me for their own gain of a name. Like I said Lexi should have acted more responsibile.
Well Christina, I must, in love, take you up on your dare. The reason is because to make that kind of statement means that you are confusing "whoness" and "Whatness". Prov 25:2 says , "It is the glory of God to conceal a thing: but the honour of kings is to search out a matter". WHAT a person does is not necessarily WHO they are. If a person is in error, that doesn't mean that they are the essence of the error. The error is a temporary state but WHO they are is eternal because thats who God Called before the foundation of the world. It is Gods word that determines WHO someone is and not labels of people who "think" that they know. Tonex, and yes he is my friend, IS a man of God. God called him to be that before the foundation of the world. An error of any type does not disqualify Gods calling or appointment. To say that it does would mean that sin is greater than God. So yes you are correct that there is no testimony if God doesn't get the glory. Well, God did get the glory because He is going to take this temporary situation and Birth the greatest Tonex that they world has ever seen. Then, the same people on this site and others that are talking about and maligning him will be the first of the witnesses to see it. Isaiah prophesied "And the glory of The LORD shall be revealed and all flesh shall see it together. For the mouth of The LORD hath spoken it". :-)
The hypocrisy of some of you people is astounding. When I pointed out that J. Moss shouldn't be applauded for so called "transparency" when he cheated on his wife and tried to force the woman to get an abortion, I got attacked. However when you all find out the obvious- *EDITED FOR NAME-CALLING*, then everyone wants to throw scripture out and chastise. Both of these men should not be praised for airing dirty laundry. We all need to submit to the Law of the one True God and repent. Stop looking to entertainers for Grace and Mercy people before it is too late.
Imust say i think we need to keep Bro. tonex lifted. I was not at all surprised about his comfession of being attracted to men, but it follow up comments were disturbing. He doesnt know if he needs tobe delivered from it??? I have my own premise about that but I wont go there..but what I will say, as a pastor..he NEEDS to know if he needs to be delivered. Im also very afraid for him. He seems so hurt and angry at the same time. I believe that he may be having mental complications that have went untreated since his self professed nervous breakdown. I appreciate him being honest, but likewise I think he is having some problems beyond what the eye can see. He is sooo talented and such a gem in gospel music,. I pray that God will speak to his heart and the place where he hurt.
I never said i was for sin I don't belive in what he is doing but I do belive if a person is fine with the life they are living all you can do is pray for him and let him know God still loves and cares about him. Not bash him.
Amen to what you stated Estyle. People have made comments stating what Tonex (Anthony Williams) is capable of such as singing, but do these same people really care about Tonex's soul. It's like these same people should just literally say, "Keep us happy Tonex by making us sing and dance while you go to hell. Party time!" You can clearly (if you are a True follower of Christ using discernment) see that this man is comfortable in his sin. And he's the pastor of a church? I read an article in which a former member described a visit to the church being weird and how the sanctuary looked totally ridiculous. This is a shame before God. The Remnant of God is very aware of the demon spirit of affectation and he has a stronghold on Anthony Williams. I hope and pray that he is not REPROBATE because I do believe he is intentionally leading others (esp. young people) astray from The Truth:Jesus Christ. Watch, Pray and keep living right before our God Jesus Christ.
Where are the male and female individuals on this board who are attracted to the same sex? I KNOW yall are reading - yet I don't see your perspective. Perhaps I missed it? I understand - I would never respond with my personal insight in the past, having the fear of being recognized somehow. But that is half the problem - not hearing from both sides. Something needs to be said - discussed - while I would never do it publicly, lol, here on a message board, "hidden identity" will allow me to open up some.... FIRST of all - let this be clear - same sex sexual interactions are WRONG according to the bible. I agree with the bible! No need to discuss the scriptural proof (unless yall want too). With that said - I can't explain this phenomenon. Many people deal with this, more than most of us know or care to admit - single AND married people. Sure, there are degrees - meaning for some it’s just a fleeting thought, for others, it’s a life style....and then those in between. As for me, I don’t know where these "desires" came from - but they have been with me for as long as I can remember. No, no molestation btw. Anyhow, I am saved, born of the water and spirit. I know the Word thoroughly and do my best to live by it. After 1,000,001 prayers, pleas, restless nights, studies, etc - this desire is still in my life. I do NOT agree with Tonex's present understanding for the most part, BUT I can relate in a minute way. I can tell that he wanted to change, and prayed and did what he could (meaning he tried), but the desires remained. I know all too well. And it wears you down. Please read my words carefully- it wears ---- you ---- down. How many of you reading have had a prayer request all your life and it was never answered? Not just a prayer request of something that is seasonal, but something that is applicable to your life EVERYday - And THIS prayer request (sexuality) affects so much of the life - relationships, friendships, etc. Then let us not even address how society treats you, ESPECIALLY if you are a black man, and the way the "church" has handled this issue all these years, ESPECIALLY the black church. The hate, the embarrassment, the hypocrisy, the misunderstanding, the hurt, etc. Oh and my phine, intelligent, Christian black sisters - would you really not feel a certain way about your man having been sexually involved with another man? Really? Or what if he still has desires he must deny BUT truly loves you only as his woman and or wife to be (just like a straight man that still has desires for other women that he must deny but loves you as the one to be his wife) -? Would you really accept him ladies? I have heard many women say no...In fact, *BLEEP* NO is what I usually hear. Yet they pray for you and hope you make it. Geeze, thanks. There are so many reasons why this issue is dark - it's so complex on so many levels. Anyhow, if you have not experienced this "struggle"- then while you can give advice, scripture and opinions, though they may be helpful (at times), true (at times) and appreciated (at times), not knowing how it FEELS (the inner torture and desire) removes you from truly understanding WHY and HOW this issue is so burdensome. And really, that is NOT your fault. Not everyone is going to experience every struggle. And frankly, I would not want ANYone to know how it feels! But just know it is not easy. And for some reason, the lack of knowing this struggle as your own has removed some of yall from showing mercy and compassion. NO, I'm not saying you should CONDONE the activity - of course not - it's sin! The activity IS wrong. BUT some people are so ready to claim you are the devil (or filled with his crew and treat you as such) because you have this issue. And PLEASE stop assuming that we WANT this issue (for those of you who assume that). Sure, some people ARE content in it (so they say), but anyone born of God would not WANT to be sexually attracted to the same sex!! That is just illogical and dumb, lol -And possibly reprobate. Some say it’s a spirit - well where is this "spirit"? IN ME? Right with the Spirit of Christ? Is that possible? If so, WHERE is the BIBLICAL PROOF that there is a "homosexual spirit" that can be in your temple WITH the Holy Spirit...? Some say its nature - so if I am born this way, you can just imagine how it is apart of you then in some capacity -and being REBORN does NOT automatically take away all fleshly desires! If that were the case, there would be no need for the bible to address such issues with Christians cuz once they are reborn, all is perfect! NOT the case - you can be saved and filled with the Holy Ghost and STILL battle the flesh with different types of issues. Some say its nurture - well, that is a good avenue to investigate too, but it’s not concrete and it's subjective. All is speculation - I don’t even know! I no longer care about the source, I just seek the solution! It begins and ends with the power and mercy of Christ. There is just way too much for me to say. It would be appreciated if others would share their perspective - those who have or do encounter this issue. Anyhow, I will share this - when Tonex said he is not sure if he needs to be delivered? I THINK I know what he means - I think he means that he no longer trusts it is an issue of the desires being taken away (cuz apparently after all the praying, pleading, laying of hands, crying, requesting of God, suicidal thoughts, repression, etc, it aint goin nowhere) - he thinks it is his identity, and if anything he just has to deny it. But that is NOT easy. Repression leads to depression and it’s a vicious cycle of agony. So some may say, “Well just seek deliverance!” – WELL WE HAVE BEEN FOR OUR WHOLE LIVES! NO, that does not mean the sinful activity should be embraced either. BUT as for Tonex (and many others) I am just speculating why he may be at the point he is NOW. Ask a "heterosexual" to deny their sexual feelings that they feel is part of their identity - deny it for their whole life, deny romantic love, deny sex (gotta be married anyhow, lol), deny the comfort of possible marriage and a family, deny the freedom of confiding in others to help you with the burden without them thinking you are hellbound and disgusting and that you may potentially molest their children (horrible stereotype) - take on all of that (and more) and see how "easy" it is. See how consistent you are with repressing those desires for love, sex, companionship, etc- especially as time goes on. It is miserable. I think Tonex just gave up and is letting things happen as they may, hoping that God will deal justly. Oh and I do realize that there are straight Christians who are celibate, and may be so for life - so they can understand somewhat, Lord help with that too -BUT it's still not the same because at least that desire is natural and you COULD embrace it if you wanted too...not the case for some others with the unnatural desires (yet it feels natural cuz it has been there since birth it seems)... My people - smh - it’s not as easy as 123 as you think. For those reading who deal with this, YOU KNOW THE DEAL- for those who have not experienced it and run off at the mouth (or type off at the fingers, lol) with no extended grace, I just excuse the comments of ignorance and rage. I no longer get upset. I just refuse to confide in people like you for understanding/help/perspective (unless in a hidden way like now, lol). I just keep it to myself, cautiously share with those who I feel may be of help and GENUINELY bear this burden with me in prayer/assistance/accountability... and of course, I tell God EVERYTHING. I pray that when I get Tonex's age, I don't slip away to accept the sinful activity and reinterpret God’s narrow way as Tonex seems to be. I pray he is revived and jumps back in the fight. We really don’t have help from our brothers and sister's in Christ for many reasons (particularly the "black church"), one reason being that the responses are so condemning and one dimensional and in many cases NOT making a difference. And THAT ALSO comes from many who ALSO deal with the issue but are in denial or hypocrisy (and THAT is what angers me as well). But I think the more intelligent and spiritual the individual is (the one with this issue), he/she can LEARN to bypass those tirades and just blend in with everyone else - act like you are not affected, cuz who wants to reach out to others with this info since clearly you WILL be treated indifferently…? Like I said, there is waaaaay to much to say about this issue overall. But I just wanted to throw out a couple things. And let me just say - for those who are ready to pounce on me with some negativity (if you there are any), please know that I will be ready (lol) - it's expected really...but come with truth and scripture in the right context and let us reason - humbly speaking, I am learned, trained, and filled with the Spirit of Christ - I say that not to brag, but to say that you will not be running over me with some garbage on this message board. I promote holiness and love through Christ JUST LIKE YOU (for those of you who do) - but all I am saying is that THIS ISSUE is not as simplistic as many THINK it is. And also, it’s NOT the only issue that needs to be dealt with aggressively in the body of Christ - while it has been grossly mishandled (the issue AND the people dealing with it), it is not so magnified that it overrides all other sins. And once again, HOLINESS IS RIGHT! I'm trying to see the Lord! I hope yall are too... Lord, help us...
The issues is not about Tonex's honesty or transparency. Its about the lack of repentance he has about his decisions. Im not judging Tonex. He has been given the right to chose, God does not impede on that right. I have an obligation "work out my own soul salvation with fear and trembling". While, I am disappointed with the delivery of his lifestyle, at least he is not living in "hypocrasy". Homosexuality, is an abomination. BOTTOM LINE. But God's grace is sufficient to wipe out ANY sin. He died on the cross for mankind. His blood covers all of our sins. Anything we might think is nasty, gross, ugly. God loves us, but if we do not repent and keep Him in our lives as Lord and Savior, Hell will be our home. Yes, we have to pray for people who are lost, but be careful what you entertain and allow your spirit to accept. I am a very young person. Im not religious. Im not perfect but I know God is coming for the "Pure in Heart". He is coming back for people who exemplify Love. We cannot keep the commandments. In Genisis, God told Adam and Eve, " You will forever eat of the tree". We have to ask for Gods' repentance daily because we will slip and fall. The bottom line is we are living in the last days. Christ is soon for his return. I just want to be ready when he cracks the sky.
Tonex has a new song realting to this new info http://www.imeem.com/people/EpxLYiC/music/ul9LNWd4/ton3x-this-is-all-of-me-mix1/
I dont want 2 even read most of these comments, bcuz just skimming through it, i can tell lots of ppl r condoning with this..im just gonna state my opinion, even tho i read this about a week ago..but ummm, This is as bad as it gets when it comes 2 embarassing the body of Christ...I pray he doesnt make another gospel album, preach, or have ne position within the church until he gets right with God on this 1 (yea, i know, who am i 2 judge)..i see ppl on here applauding him 4 his honesty, but not enuff ppl taking a stand 4 Holiness....i have so much to say on this, but my fingers hurt, n i aint write nuthing yet...ill be back.....
Ezekial 22:26 is all i have to say
Wrong is wrong, and what Tonex says he is living is a simple abomination. I am still of a belief that God is not yet through with him hence I helieve he will repent as he too has got a chance in Jesus Christ of Nazareth.
It seems that most here who have stated wonderful things like "God isn't finished with him yet" etc, etc, have forgotten one important caveat of our Gospel...TOMORROW IS NOT PROMISED...even to the point where the scripture says when we leave one anothers presence we are to say "if it be God's will". We can't say what and where his life's journey is, because we don't know when it will end. This is why we are to be watchful...as righteous as we can possibly muster, dying to self daily, as well as being repentant of our sins...daily. While God is not finished with any of us, evidenced by the fact that we are still alive and learning, it is important to realize that we must not use that as a crutch. We are responsible for what we say and do...and there are PLENTY of scriptures that show exactly how angry God can become when we say and do the wrong things. This brother...this PREACHER (using the title loosely) because of the title and position GOD has given him, is completely responsible for the souls he leads astray through his "process". Let's not forget that. Also, the consequences for someone with high visibility disrespecting God are generally steep (think King Saul and go from there). I'm not judging him. I have nowhere to put him (Heaven or Hell) if I WERE judging him. Neither do I have to judge him. The Judge wrote a whole book on how he feels about all things. The Judge says "be ye holy, for I am holy". The Judge calls for us to come out of immorality. The judge calls for us to be righteous. Not by our standards, but by HIS standards. The Judge is giving this cat a chance to get it right. Pacifying him is pretty much cosigning. You might be using a fake name online, but God knows who you are. Are YOU willing to pay that price?
SATAN is out to kill steal and destroy the world is trying to condone everything that is not like GOD... adultery, homosexuality ETC, SIN IS JUST SIN AND TONEX NEEDS TO REPENT AND ASK GOD TO WASH HIM , LIKE DAVID...I AM SO SICK OF PEOPLE TALKING ABOUT "JUDGING"..it shouldnt be named among the church that they practice HOMOSEXUALITY!!! OR CONDONE IT..HE'S ADMITTING that he's unclean and needs deliverance..you cant pastor SIN!!!
SHALL WE CONTINUE IN SIN...AND GRACE ABOUND..GOD FORBID
Great job to the site, and Lexi. Seems so much confusion from the comments, yet I do not expect to change anyone by this blog. Forgive and forget, then pray for the brother. If he is gay, and becomes your enemy still pray by showing love; please everyone remember that. I thank the site again for this article, now i know how to pray, and what to pray for. We are all GOD's children; the devil wants us to be his, by bashing each other. GOD bless you all, and think spiritually, not with your SOUL!
what is with this applauding Tonex for his honesty, this is foolishness to me. The guy speaks a bag of heresy and we focus on the fact that he was honest! He doesnt think homosexuality is a sin, he is not struggling, he will go to heaven for his honesty, he believes in same sex covenants, he doesnt tell people what to do in their bedroom, he leads them to the cross and thats it (thats all I resposible for) and is still a Pastor! We are applauding Lexi for a good interview when she allowed him to spew these lies unhindered, without any scriptural challenge at all! Anytime heresy goes unchallenged it is of the devil as the bible says we should contend for the faith and be watchful of false teachers. COME ON NOW, this will only embolden heretics and give license to many struggling with their sexual identity. My gripe is not with Tonex' struggles but his blatant lies and Lexi allowing him to do it. I hope and pray that this video leads no one astray and if Lexi does not contend for the faith I hope her shows comes of the air. Helping the evil homosexual agenda in Jesus' name! What a shame!!!
One more thing, if I came out saying I am a thief and I dont see anything wrong with stealing will you applaud me if I have made up my mind to continue being a theif? COME ON SAINTS! WAKE UP AND CUT OUT THE EMOTIONALISM!
I absolutely loved the response from Lord HelpUs : September 14th, 2009 on 1:55 pm Out of ALL the responses on here (and I read just about every single one since this post started), this one really hits it home. I am a Black Male who is a believer in Christ Jesus, have been saved for quite sometime, knows that Jesus Christ is Lord and Savior of my life and is the head of everything I do. I am also an openly Black Gay Male. (take a deep breath, it will be alright....) I am not going respond in this "tit for tat" scripture battle that has been going on in blog since September 8th, nor am I going to defend Tonex for his words or actions, because I believe he did it quite well on his own. What I will say is as a Christian (yes, I KNOW that I am one), and as believer in our Lord and Savior I know that when it all comes down to it, our ONLY job as Christians is to love with the love of Christ and to usher in people to knowledge and the glory of his kingdom. WHAT I HAVE SEEN on this blog is veiled attempts (and poorly I might add) of preaching down and casting hell and damnation on this man who has faults like everyone else. It’s no secret and a crying shame that we as Christians, especially in the Black Church place more emphasis and virulent emotionalism in references to homosexuality more than any other sin that is listed and broken down in God's word, (please reference the response from Tiffany September 12th, 2009 on 9:10 pm as she pointed it out very candidly) The fact of the matter is (and you can beat me down with scripture if you like) the majority of “saints” will boldly overlook other sexual sins AS LONG AS ITS HETEROSEXUAL. I have never, ever, EVER, as long as I have read this Blog and other Christian blogs seen such outrage/ discussion/ bible scripture “tit for tat” over ANY OTHER ISSUE with as much passion and energy as there have been with the issue of Homosexuality. It’s very telling among the saints that we ourselves need a Holy Ghost “reality check” and get ourselves right in accordance with the Word and make sure that our front door is clean and clear before we “cast out devils” in others… But yes, I know many of you have stated earlier that the Word says that we are free and clear to (and I’m paraphrasing since I can‘t recall all the scriptures quoted right off my head) make an assessment or be in judgment of others. However, as many of you are “chastising in love” as many of you call it, how many of you all have: 1. Have ever seen a man or a woman walk past you and you say or think to yourself; “^&*%*^ that dude/lady is phyne as (*&(^&, I sho' would like some of that!” 2. Have ever been in a relationship and thought lustful thoughts of another person or ENGAGED in activities with another person while in a relationship? 3. Speaking of #2, have many of you have had pre-marital sex? (uh oh!) 4. Had children out of wedlock? And my list could go on and on but with the few I just mentioned, can you recall anyone ever coming at you with vengeance or damnation because you fell short and messed up sexually? Or was this transgression overlooked because in the back of your mind since it was a heterosexual act you just brushed it aside and with the mindset that, “Well, we all fall short every once in a while and I know that God is a forgiving God so er’thang will be aiight if I just ask for forgiveness…” Yet, brother Tonex spoke on the same types of fleshly weaknesses that I’m willing to bet my retirement package that 98% of the people that has repsonded on this board have been confronted with or have given in to your fleshly nature, but yes he’s castigated by all these “Righteous” folk because many of you all believe it is your divine right to so called “put in him in his place”. The God that will judge Tonex is the same God that is going to judge you too folks, point blank. The difference is you KNOW his transgressions, but would you be so self - serving if it was YOUR sins that was placed out there for the world to see? Could YOU stand to be publicly judged and put through the same scorn that many of you “saints” have placed on Tonex? (please don’t lie to yourself, because we’ve already seen the sensitivity on the board over a topic that shouldn‘t even generate this much anger in the first place) So, while you all are shouting that we should "pray for Tonex" (which I know the majority of ya’ll aren't doing anyway), make sure you plead for the Blood to cover you in your own lives and make sure that the scripture you are casting on Tonex that you apply it in YOUR OWN lives in EVERY sense of the word since God's word and discipline is enough to go around to each and every one of us. What Tonex did was more than just revealing his sexuality, and if that’s all you thought then you missed the real purpose of the interview all together. He did EXACTLY what was intended for this interview to do. To expose a deep, dark, hidden hypocrisy and disdain over an issue within the church that many “Christians” claim to love these individuals, yet mask their hatred behind the Word and claim it to just. The sad part is, the denial is so thick because many feel they are encased in the Word that they fail to see the hidden double-standard. Looks like there's more than enough prayer to go around than just Tonex, huh?
@JWilliams, there is no scriptural battle regarding homosexuality. It is clear throughout the scriptures in both the Old and New Testaments that: 1) It's a sin 2) No examples of "godly" homosexual couples anywhere in the bible 3)Anyone who tries to justify it is only showing their own self-idolatry and hatred of Jesus Christ. You must have missed the comment previous to yours by Paul N who explained the outrage towards Tonex and those like him and yourself (Gays who call themselves Christian) is because of the flaunting of the sin of homosexuality rather than the deep grievance and desire of deliverance from the sin. Adulterers, thieves, murderers are not getting on public platforms and announcing how much they love God and how they all need their rights and to stick together no matter what! That's the outrage with the LGBT folks, your disdain for God's COMPLETE word and ignoring how our loving God HATES SIN! In all of Tonex's so called honesty, he can't honestly tell anyone that homosexuality is a sin. He's dishonestly leading folks to believe that it's okay to be gay and that is the most deadly thing a so called man of God can do - lead people away from God's truth! If you're going to be honest, start with calling homosexuality what it is - a sin!
We as Christians (so called Christians) need to always way watch we say and do.....whether it is in the public eye or behind doors. We are suppose to be soldiers for Christ and spreading His Word. The Lord provides us with different gifts and this gift that He has blessed us to obtain is supposed to be used to glorify and uplift His name. When I first started listening to Tonex, I instantly loved his voice because I too am a singer and I know talent when I hear it. So, I went out and brought his current CD out at the time, "Tonex - Pronouced Toe-Nay". After listening to this CD, I had a different feeling about the music, (even though I did like it), my spirit still felt weird. Music has a way of speaking to others and involving them in the world of the writer...of the composer...of the artist. There are a lot of subliminal messages in music that enter the mind of the listener and can stir their soul and sooth their mind in a negative way.....or positive way. Tonex came out in this interview and spoke his mind....the problem I'm having is trying to justify where he is and NOT asking for Christ to deliever him from the demon that has invoked his presence in his life up to this point. The thief on the cross was not advertised in the Bible with regard to his sins. The Bible just said that he was a thief on the cross that at that point believed and then accepted Jesus. His sins were not advertised. There was no journalist that advertised in the Bible all of his sinful ways. His sins were not glorified like we then to do in these last days. I am not here to judge Tonex, the Bible does an outstanding job of judging sinners, straight up. But, I definitely do not condone his lifestyle or the fact that he is basically saying, "it is what is is"! NO, IT IS NOT IT IS WHAT IT IS! I pray Tonex that you get you life together man! God is not a mockery of His Word! GET IT RIGHT MAN AND STOP PLAYING WITH YOUR LIFE...STOP PLAYING WITH YOU SOUL SALVATION. This is real man and the Devil wants your soul....and right now......your on the WRONG path! I still have a Christ-Like Love for you Tonex and pray that you wake up and truly see GOD!
JWilliams, repent! Jesus loves you and want you to spend eternity in heaven. Calling out other sins does not make homosexuality right. REPENT!
JWilliams, I gotta respond again! Your comment is off. You are discussing others sins but Tonex does not think homosexulity is a sin so how can you equate it to those you have mentioned? No one is perfect and the word tells us if a brother`is overtaken by a sin restore him in humilty, now it also says if a brother practices sin dont even sit and eat with him. If any man sins without regard for the Word of God and is not seeking help, he should be dealt with harshly, put out of the Church so that the devil can buffet him. I too have made the mistake of being sympathetic with people who dont try only to see them in the same sin year after year. What you have said is a cop out and trying to pass the buck but that will not help you at all. I am not hating on you but there is no such thing as a homosexual Christian though you do have Christians that struggle with their sexual identity, just like Christians struggle with various things as you have stated. Either you are a Christian or a homosexual, you must choose! May The LORD deliver you before etertnity is at hand.
Paul (and others), Thanks for taking the time to read my words as I knew it would bring about a difference of opinion and generate some type of responses. In keeping with my first post, I must restate I’m not here to “argue” you over your beliefs, nor am I here to go toe to toe with anyone in a spiritual “tit - for - tat” over the topic of homosexuality (or SIN in general). The point of my first post and I will reiterate again is that some people within the Church have somehow “anointed” themselves with a type spiritual authority to be a crusader against the sin of homosexuality, yet neglect the majority of other sins that plague us WITHIN the body of Christ every single day. This, my friend is northing more than a cloaked resistance to avoid discussing the BIGGER issue that lies within Christians than just the subject of Homosexuality, which is the hypocrisy of Christians who will ONLY put on their armor and so called “fight” against sin when that sin is strictly anything that has to do WITH HOMOSEXUALITY, rather than sin itself. Tonex exposed that and it has been evident since this post started back on 09/08. I have said this many times, and I will say it here: “If you’re gonna be right, be ALL THE WAY RIGHT”! YOU may call it “passing the buck”, However “I” see it as; “calling it out for what it is”…. While folks on here have been throwing the Word out there and casting out devils, I sit back and wonder to myself: 1. How many of these same people have so valiantly gone forth and chastised “in love” these young women who are sexually active and having children out of wedlock? After all, the product of their sin is right there in front of their faces every single day and statistics show its rising by the minute. Its funny, I haven’t seen Christians going out “on the battlefield” to fight this ever growing weed that he been plaguing believers and NON believers. This is happening right before our very eyes and yet we turn a blind eye to it. I wonder, why is that? 2. How many of these same people have gone forth to our Men who we KNOW have 3 and 4 baby mommas, and teach them and educate them on the sin of fornication and to prevent the further destabilization of the Heterosexual family, which statistics show is being rocked by more than 50% (FIFTY) in divorce rates? This is effecting homes of believers and NON believers? Its funny, I haven’t seen Christians going on “on the battlefield” to fight and show our brethren on how to be the head of the household and to honor their wives and to fight the temptations of the flesh that will keep them from committing the sin of adultery (which on a side note, was one of the Ten Commandments; a sin that that God spoke about directly out of his OWN mouth and written directly in stone) I wonder, where is the emotion and the drive to fight this sin? 3. How many of these same people have gone out in the community to help those in need: Getting the addicted off of drugs, educating and spiritually rehabilitating those who are incarcerated and have lost their way and need someone to show them the love of Christ. directing our youth away from improper influences and bringing them up in discipline and in the knowledge of Christ, or chastising “in love” those who do not adhere in accordance to God’s word since we claim we “love” them and care about their salvation. These are people all around us living in sin and who are literally crying out for Christians to show them love, discipline, and the Light, yet many go on day by day turning a ear/ a heart/ and eye/ away because we either: don’t want to get involved, or feel it isn’t our place to intervene in someone’s personal affairs so we’ll just “leave it up to prayer” to help them. I wonder, why the inaction? I’ll tell you why. Because its NJOT Homosexuality. Point blank. Our own biases as Christians has hardened our hearts towards this ONE sin alone, which is why you see tooth and nail, fist in hand, T.D Jakes type sermons on this post spouting hell and damnation to Gays and Lesbians when many of these people on this board is probably headed to the same place themselves. The bias is so strong and many people are so consumed with arguing and “rebuking” down homosexuality alone that there are some people on this board (which shall remain nameless) who will sit up on their computer and troll other well known Gay Themed Homosexual websites and post pure HATRED and then come back to websites Gospel Pundit and call themselves so called attempting to. “leading the lost”. Better yet, my own comment prompted some folks to keep checking back on this website maybe 2, 3, 4 or more times just to see if I will respond to somebody’s comment and lo and behold, because I am the only one on here that stated I am a Gay Black Male, you have folks that made it a POINT to have to come back to comment directly to me more than once because it irked somebody to the point to where they just HAD to come back say something else just one more time. Yet these people probably have someone in their town or cities that desperately need someone to intervene on their behalf and could use someone’s guidance and knowledge of the Word to help bring them through, but more than likely they won’t get it because why?….. We as Christians are to fixated on Homosexuality “ALONE” to help others who really need to be shown Christ. And then Christians wonder why we’re loosing ground with the mass of people when it pertains to sin? ~BECAUSE CHRISTIANS ONLY FIGHT THE “SINS” THEY THINK THEY HAVE THE MOST MORAL AUTHORITITY TO SPEAK ON~! But let it be any others; you hear silence…. This is my point and I really don’t have anything else further to say on it. Until Christians get back into the business of loving and loving Righteously instead of “picking and choosing” what they will fight, we will always see this battle, even within the church. You can quote scripture until you are blue in the face, but if you are ONLY going to rebuke just ONE sin and not ALL sin YOU ARE AS MUCH IN THE WRONG JUST AS YOU CLAIM THE HOMOSEXUAL TO BE!!! Go out in the battlefield my brothers and sisters, and conquer ALL sin! Not only will you reach the homosexual, but you’ll also reach the drug dealer, the drug user, the adulterer, the abuser, the molester, and whomever else may come your way! God Bless, J Williams
JWilliams said: - "Go out in the battlefield my brothers and sisters, and conquer ALL sin! Not only will you reach the homosexual, but you’ll also reach the drug dealer, the drug user, the adulterer, the abuser, the molester, and whomever else may come your way!" The problem with your statements JW is that you are taking the position that you know everyone on this forum and have assumed that no one meets your qualifications to be calling out homosexuality. And you really won't care if anyone DOES ALL of those things you listed above because you will simply ignore what anyone says and continue in your sinful lifestyle ANYWAYS! In other words, you are looking for excuses to avoid hearing the truth and what better excuse than to tell a person they aren't "good enough" to point out your sin. Well, until you have the evidence that any of us are neglecting those things that you listed we will continue to speak out against the sin of homosexuality - which IS the topic of this discussion. Are there hypocrites in the church? Yes! Does that excuse homosexuality? NO! Is JWilliams a homosexual? Yes Is homosexuality a sin? Yes Is JWilliams practicing homosexual sex? Yes Is JWilliams of God? Let the bible answer that: "7 Little children, let no one deceive you. He who practices righteousness is righteous, just as He is righteous. 10 In this the children of God and the children of the devil are manifest: Whoever does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor is he who does not love his brother." 1 John 3:7,10 Just in case you've forgotten what the Old and New Testaments say about homosexuality here it is again: Old Testament: Leviticus 18:22 - "You shall not lie with a male as with a woman. It is an abomination." New Testament: Romans 1:26-27 - "26 For this reason God gave them up to vile passions. For even their women exchanged the natural use for what is against nature. 27 Likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust for one another, men with men committing what is shameful, and receiving in themselves the penalty of their error which was due." JW, for you and others say it's okay to be practicing homosexuality leads a person to make a decision: to believe God or believe man. That's the choice anyone must make and I pray that people follow the commandment of 1 John 3:7 and not be deceived by those who don't practice righteousness while claiming that they are!
Aaaaand, we're done. Comments are now officially closed... and I have the last word cuz it's my blog. :-) Christocentric, I must correct you-- you stated that "...we will continue to speak out against the sin of homosexuality - which IS the topic of this discussion." Perhaps on your blog. But here, the topic of discussion was the premiere of The Lexi Show and how enlightening her interview with Tonex was. While I acknowledged that I didn't agree with every stance he took, I definitely never said anything about "the sin of homosexuality" because that wasn't my focus this go 'round. Many of you have decided to address issues that are tangential to my main topic, arguing that by speaking about anything else, I'm in some way letting the "greatest offense" be overlooked. If you've read GospelPundit.com for any length of time, you've seen me deal with the shortcomings of gospel artists through a lens of grace-- I typically DO NOT bemoan the sin of every artist (I'd be here all day); rather, I speak of the hope we have because of Christ's work on the cross. I try to present blog posts that focus on the positive-- the silver lining of what CHRIST does, not the dark cloud of what WE do. I am passionate about the gospel industry. Even more, I'm passionate about the LOVE of God. If you wanna get with that, I welcome thoughtful, respectful conversation that edifies the Body of Christ. If not, there are plenty of websites that will feed your desire. This just isn't it. In Christ, EJ Gaines
You're ***EDITED FOR DISRESPECT***...since when do you have a hell to put anyone in? Sweep the dirt off your own front porch!!