It's mighty funny that Mr. Tribbett had nothing to really say about his infidelity for almost a year, but now that he has a cd coming out, he wants to plaster his face all on youtube...LOL what a joke!!
Yeah a year later than it surfaced....like I said it's mighty funny that he now is all over the net holding auditions and promoting his new cd, but like I already knew, it's all about the money
Ok.... Why should he have to blast his PERSONAL business all over the place (I think the media did enough of that)??? Should he be walking around with sackclothes & ashes for the rest of his life?? Shoot if thats the case most of the gospel artists wouldn't be qualified to minister the Gospel! As long as he confessed and got right with his wife, his fam, & God.... THE CASE IS CLOSED! No condemnation people. If God treated our repented sins the way we "christians" treat one another... Lord help us all!
Mike C, will you PLEASE post a list all your transgressions so that we may read them? Otherwise, do not go to church, do not witness to the unbelievers, do not even lift your hands and tell God thank you until you do. Thanks.
That's just as silly as you can be. No matter how long it was he didn't even have to! That's between him, God, and his wife n kids! It has nothing to do with anyone else. On national TV he told the world about his issue and now he's moving past it! Stop hold things over ppl's head that GOD has forgiven and forgotten.
I totally agree with Melu and Kingdom. God has cast those sins (Tye's and ours) into the sea of forgetfullness. God is a God of mercy and I thank Him for it. Let's lift Tye up not put him down.
Tye Tribbet is not obligated to tell what he has done or admit his sin to his supporters or the public. His infidelity or any other sin he may have commited is between him and God. God is the one that he must seek forgiveness from .Not man but God, so there is really no need in getting upset with him for advertising his new project. Point blank.
While Tye isn't "obligated" to share his personal life with the general public (although he is obligated to be honest with the Lord AND his wife, the one he made vows with), a scandal-free/successful cover up of a scandal image does help (gospel music) record sales, even more so than a repented image (I know, ironic, right?)
I've said this before: anybody can sing gospel because there's no requirement to be saved, Holy Ghost filled, fire baptized, blah blah blah. I now see that it is UNREALISTIC to expect that every gospel artist is living a holy life 24/7. That's probably unrealistic to expect that from anybody. I don't buy everybody's gospel music and I'm not impressed with most gospel music that's out today. Let the Lord guide the music you should listen to because ultimately it's the Lord who knows who's producing music from a holy lifestyle versus someone who is unrepentant and whose lifestyle is messy. You can hear the messiness, the carnality, the lack of scriptural foundation in the lyrics and the melodies.
Tam Tam, I respect your opinion, but I think you are mistaken. How in the WORLD can you tell a person's level of "carnality and messiness" based on the songs they put out? Some of the songs of old that we call "classics" we written and sang by artists who were broken and in sin as well. God can and will use ANYBODY he choses. He used Rahab, A PROSTITUTE to protect his own ppl. Stop being so quick to spew out statements that are rooted in person opinion and preferences.
"Then Jesus called to the crowd to come and hear. “Listen,” he said, “and try to understand. 11 It’s not what goes into your mouth that defiles you; you are defiled by the words that come out of your mouth." (Matthew 15:10-11, NLT)
Matthew 7:16-20 "Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them. (KJV).
So maybe a person's level of carnality and messiness can be known based on the songs an artists puts out, Hmmm.... I agree that the Lord can use anybody at anytime but let's remember the principal thing: the Lord can only use that person when that person SUBMITS to the Lord and allows him/herself to be used. It's called FREE WILL. Your example of Rahab, the prostitute, ALLOWED the LORD to use her. She obeyed the direction of the man of God (Joshua) out of her own free will.
Definition of boo - 1) a loud exclamation intended to scare someone, especially a child. Usually used when one has been hidden from the victim and then suddenly appeared unexpectedly.
When I used the term "boo," I was referrencing that definition for the picture on that video.
Rob, you killed my joke,
So what are you saying? Is Tye restored? Do you know for sure? If not, leave it alone. Find it in your own personal conviction whether or not you buy his CD.
i dont really care about his personal life thats not my
bizz...ive just honestly neva been a fan
so ill prolly listen to one of my musciains copy
cuz yu kno they gon buy it
People need to get over it. Tye got a new album coming out. Rather your a gospel artist or secular, bad exposure is good exposure. Sorry to put it that way but thats the biz. Yall betta stop believing that these "GOSPEL ENTERTAINERS" live in glass houses and are just perfect and untouchable. Their lives shatter just like ours.You might lose one fan, but you will definitely gain another for the one you lost.
His PR team knows exactly how to handle this and from what I'm seeing they doing a great job cuz people still talking about it.
Tye is going to sell trust and believe. :)
I am not interested in being part of the salvation patrol to go and spy on Tye (or anybody else) to see if they're living right. And that's NOT the point of my posts. My first post advises all of us to AVOID having these UNREALISTIC EXPECTATIONS of perfection from gospel artists, period.
What I DO NOT appreciate is when anybody tries to intentionally deceive, and that includes a gospel artist attempting to spit-shine his or her image to keep selling records. Without calling names, we've seen gospel music artists go a LONG WAY to conceal stuff. On the other hand, we've seen gospel music artists who made an open confession about their issues and included a course of action toward restoration. Each made his or her own choice concerning that. And I have a choice of whether or not to (continue to) support that artist by buying their music, personal conviction or otherwise.
If it matters, I have ITuned a couple of Tye's songs and I saw him in concert earlier this year. I believe I could discern a young man who's trying to get himself together and get beyond his issues and do the best of what he knows to do with regard to music ministry. I hope for the best in everyone but there's a need for BALANCE: Matthew 10:16: "I am sending you out like sheep among wolves. Therefore be as shrewd as snakes and as innocent as doves."
And that's that's the whole point of this this thing. Most gospel artists are doing and have done these types of things. They either try to hide it or move towards restoration which in Tye's case I would say the latter. Like I said earlier, it's in your own personal conviction whether or not you want to still buy his CD's.
It goes beyond a personal conviction of simply buying CDs or not to the extent that those who are supposed to be DEFENDERS of the FAITH (being a Christian, a follower of Jesus Christ) to ensure that people are not fooled by the antics of gospel artists (or anyone). So as TRUTHFUL, FACTUAL, PROVEN information is made available, than that's when personal conviction can kick in. Notice I didn't say gossip, rumors, and whatnot. I said TRUTH.
And you know what, now that I think about it: what does "personal conviction" mean? Shouldn't we be convicted by the Holy Spirit? We all (are supposed to) be guided by the SAME HOLY SPIRIT. What's personal about that? I guess it's personal if one decides to get "personal" with the Holy Spirit.
I feel you on that one. What I mean by personalis there are certain things some Christians choose not to do but aren't as specifically talked about about in the Bible. Like the Word doesn't specifically say don't watch r-rated movies or go on Facebook/Twitter or too much TV but I know Christians who choose not to. You're absolutely right that we are all convicted by the same Holy Spirit. But it may be something that you've experienced personally or something that's not a sin but you feel will cause a negative YOUR spiritual life that may not affect another believer the same way.
1 Corinthians 6:12 (NKJV)
12 All things are lawful for me, but all things are not helpful. All things are lawful for me, but I will not be brought under the power of any.
While I do see your larger point in terms of free will and choice, your choice of comparison (movies, Facebook, etc. versus gospel music artists and their "fruit", if you will).
In my humble opinion, for me, simply, is this: there ought to be a STANDARD based on the Word of God. We're to help each other to uphold that standard for the cause of Christ. Proverbs 27:17 "As iron sharpens iron, so a friend sharpens a friend."
Another REDEMPTION TOUR with scriptures liberally used to justify his comeback and to silence those who want to remember what he did before he got caught. I see it with Tye, I see it with J. Moss and I see it with ministers like Zachery Tims.
These people sin big (while all the time telling us how to live). THEN, wHEN they get busted, they sit down for a minute and THEN they come up with a fresh annointing with a LOOKING FORWARD message that is an attempt to make us feel unsaintly and guilty if we bring up their past deeds.
It is all about the money. I do not have a problem with that. I want them to just say 'it is all about the money'. I am cool with that. Just say, 'it's all about the money'. AMEN. (my two cents)
Yea yeah I know I was just giving different examples (movies, facebook, buying certain gospel CD's, all that stuff). I certainly agree every day we as believers should encourage each other to go out and reach that perfect standard that is found in the Word of God!
@ Kingdom...I ain't posting nothing, I'm not the one trying to promote a gospel album HE IS...and I am so sick of people "oh don't judge him" "i don't care about his personal life" (when Tye Tribbett was the most judgmental gospel artist I have ever seen)....how silly, if his personal life don't line up with the public image then what's the point...I bet you people would defend a child molester if he made good music and made your spine tingle...lol WACK...
I agree that we shouldn't just blow it off and try to defend these artists just b/c we like their music.
It's not like he's trying to hide it though, he talked about it on TV. Whether or not he should be trying to get right with God and still promote his new CD is questionable though....
@ Kingdom, People can spew out what they want...freedom of expression, and Just because God can use who he wants, doesn't mean a person can knowingly commit sins, while having concerts bashing people who listen to secular music, and bashing secular artist for being secular. Then hide for a year, then come out around the time they finishing up their cd, then confess to the public, then a few months later get on youtube and hold auditions for dancers, and promote a new GOSPEL cd...smh that's lame, and I wouldn't even be going so hard on Tye if he wasn't always so arrogantly bashing people who sin] as if he had never done anything...
Mike C, with all due respect, it appears that you're holding Tye to a standard based on how he used to act, not based on Scripture.
You say "I wouldn't even be going so hard on Tye if he wasn't always so arrogantly bashing people who sin] as if he had never done anything." But that's not what the Bible says we are to do. The Bible doesn't say "GO HARD" on people who are arrogant. From where do you get support to go hard "because" of his arrogance? Isn't that God's job?
Further, I don't know if you saw the TV interview where he admitted to his infidelity, but he ALSO repented for bashing people so ferociously. He said he was too zealous and the Lord has shown him that he needs to cool out.
So, what are you really still upset about? Did the repentance not come as early as you thought it should? Was it not heartfelt enough? Did he not grovel?
The fact is that God accepts it when it comes and, since we're lower than God, we don't have a right to hold out on grace and mercy any longer than He does. I think you should consider your heart motives for being angry, repent and go pray for the brother.
Just my two cents...
I am SOOO glad God is not like man. If that were the case, we all would have been destroyed LONNGGG ago. I commend Tye for admitting to his sin. Instead of bashing and condemning him, why not pray for him. FOR ALL HAVE SINNED AND FALL SHORT OF THE GLORY OF GOD AND ARE JUSTIFIED FREELY BY HIS GRACE (thank you Father for YOUR grace) THROUGH THE REDEMPTION THAT CAME BY CHRIST. If the Lord Almighty, Creator of heaven and earth, Most High God, has forgiven Tye for what he has done and has freely given him grace for his guilt, WHO ARE WE to stand in judgment. C'mon now BODY OF CHRIST...are we displaying the love of God by attacking one of our own? I thought that was the world's job?!?!?
I will continue to support Tye in his ministry because it's God (not Tye) that I worship, it's God (not Tye) who I praise, and it's God (not TYE!) who gets the glory!!!
EJ -- Why should he have to repent? I think it is wonderful and refreshing that people of good will have an opportunity to express their frustrations about the real hypocracy we see. It is in our faces. I personally wish the best for Tye Tribbett. I do, however, want it known that I recognize a pattern and a formula that is played out over and over. They act super righteous and we find out they are not. Then WE are expected to repent because WE see the pattern and comment? (Mike C might should to repent, who knows) Shared in love -- my two cents. We all got two cents.
@Virginia Hall --
I think people toss the word "hypocrisy" around too much.
How was Tye hypocritical? Because he said people ought not sin, but was sinning himself? That's the testimony of every Christian. ALL Christians SHOULD be against sin, but they will continue to be sinful anyway.
What really frosts peoples' cookies about Tye is NOT that he was outspoken about sin (every preacher in America is outspoken, and we don't call them hypocrites)-- no, people have a problem with his APPROACH.
So, knowing that his APPROACH is what is offensive to people, not his belief system, I reminded Mike C that Tye has repented for his APPROACH by acknowledging that he was too zealous and that God has challenged him to be more loving in it. As such, we can no longer hold that against him... if he repented for it, God forgave him for it, and that's the end of it.
But people don't want that to be the end... they want to continue to talk about how rude he was, how hurtful he was, how abrasive and arrogant he was. That is SINFUL because God does not allow us to HARBOR anger just because someone behaved in an unGodly way. So, I encouraged Mike C to repent for that.
In an earlier post, you mentioned that people unfairly try to "silence those who want to remember what he did before he got caught." What type of Christian WANTS to remember what someone did before they got caught? And WHY would a Christian, saved and redeemed by grace in their own life, want to hold on to that right-- the right to remember past sins of others? For what?! lol
As it relates to his artistry, support it or don't. And have your reasons for doing so.
But Tye handled his sin when he handled it. Maybe WE didn't get the resolution that we wanted, or when we wanted, but beyond REPENTING, he really doesn't owe us a resolution as it relates to his sin. Anything that we want to hold on to is not of God-- and for that, we need to repent.
Hello EJ
I had several deeply held opinions which I expressed. There are no amount of words which will make me change my mind. It is my truth based on my historical observatons. My truth which I expressed has nothing to do with forgiveness or attitude toward sin or even rendemption. I see a set of facts which are played out over and over again. It is just that. -- a set of facts that play out over and over. I commented on what I see. We are a forgiving people. That is what we are taught. That is how we as Christians should lives our lives. In the meantime, it is still very important that we talk about the transgressions we see and actively work to make sure we are living lives that are not double. That is our responsibility to make sure we learn from the mistakes of others and try to be the best people we can be.
I agree with you in that regard.
I think there are A LOT of lessons to be learned from the transgressions and shortcomings of artists in the gospel industry, as with any leader.
My only point was to say that I don't know that people should base their CURRENT support of an artist on PAST transgressions, once those past transgressions have been repented for.
But I hear what you're saying.
EJ -- I am with you on that. We study history so we don't make the same mistakes twice. However, it is completely foolish to bash and bash someone over past issues. What we don't know is how many hours of sadness, crying, praying and repenting they have been involved with. We have to separate their personal journey from the lesson we need to learn. My two cents and I think I am done. Keep up the great work.
I don't think it's about the TIMING of the transgressions because if that logic were to be applied across the board, what would we do about FUTURE transgressions? Should I not buy fill in the blank's new CD this month because he MIGHT sin next month?
I think it's about two things: 1) APPROACH and 2) AFTERMATH (of the transgression).
Similar to what you said upthread, EJ: the APPROACH. In Tye's case, it wasn't the content (avoiding sin), it was about his APPROACH to delivering the content: from what I gather, was rather harsh, condescending, judgemental, even? (I'm guessing).
In the same way, the APPROACH and AFTERMATH relates to how the transgression was dealt with: did the person attempt to cover up/hide the transgression? Or did the person come forth and confess (to whatever audience is most appropriate, public and/or private). Or did the person come forth after they were caught? Did the person have a contrite heart or was he/she arrogant and unrepentent? It takes A LOT of courage to admit a sin, esp. when the world's eyeballs are on one's back. It makes one think twice if the "fame" is really worth it.
Spin it how you want, got more respect for Zac Tims than Tye Tribbett, at least he apologized b4 time and sat hisself down...but Tye's under contract and gotta get those cds out every two yrs I guess
@ EJ I just read both your post and all I have to say is...
I real sincere man would have fessed up to his supporters b4 anything ever came out; like Da Truth, Ambassodor and Zac Tims did, those three have all my respect, real mean fess up, they don't hide for a year then make some apology on a tv show, 2 months b4 they release an album, seems very contrived to me...
Real men 'fess up? Wow..... Whatever happened to respecting a man (or woman) for honoring their vows? Not looking for perfection, but it's sad that those who are doing the honorable thing don't get celebrated. And we wonder why another generation is going the way it is... lack of role models.
Tye doesn't owe me OR you an explanation about his infidelity. That's all between him, his wife, the woman he was seeing and God. It's no one else's business really.
I think it is important for everyone in leadership to remember that vulnerable and hurting people are listening to their songs for inspiration and paying attention to the ministers' sermons for real help understanding God's word. What an awesome responsibility for anybody. Fair or unfair - that is the reality. So, the debate is academic for many of us on this blog. My heart breaks for those young people in the world who looked up to Tye or the members who believed the apparent sincerity of Zachery Timms. I think our challenge as Christians is to be 'everyday leaders' and represent God with every step we take. More of my two cents. Two cents can go quite far in the blog economy.
we who are believers of the TRUE and LIVING GOD and SAVED by Grace..have to be CAREFUL and rely on the WORD of GOD..to know the difference between carnal christians and those who are called by the annointing. We are to "come out from among those of this world" ... and as Christians we are to be examples of being CHRIST-like... and we are noticed by the unbeliever by the way we as believers LIVE and NOT what we say as believers, for me gospel music is supposed to HAVE the anointing up and thru it BASED UPON THE WORD OF GOD not just a performance and hi-hop drum beat. Mr. Tribbitts has a larger responsibility to his wife and likewise his wife to him, his children , his church and to those who follow him..his salvation I'm not in question of..because it is written , he that is without sin cast the first stone..this incident with regard to "Da Truth" Mr. Tribitts and those involved..I pray that all will be lifted up in prayer, forgiven and be an example for those who may be in the same experience NOW..that GOD is in the RESTORATION BUSINESS.. but ONLY if you confess to GOd all that you are NOT..and to those we have offended.. according to the word of God..
Sooo... I actually took the time to read ALL these posts(crazy me)and some people never cease to amaze me. I mean its so funny how we "christains" can judge people like we're the ones who these entertainers have to answer to...at one point, I enjoyed comming to this site,but now, there's waayy too much "holier than thou" attitudes goin on. It just makes me sick sometimes-and this post goes waayy beyond tye tribbett. @EJ- I have much respect for you and this site, but when I read some of these comments disturb me to my soul...all I have to say is that I am so glad that I serve Jesus-and not people, because God doesn't spend all of his time searchin and nitpicking on what's on the outside(because this flesh can't go to heaven) I am so greatful that the almighty looks at my soul!!
@daviacarter
YOur comments are good,, theoretically. There are some singers -- if they are caught up in unholy situations -- we say 'whatever' and move on. Now, Tye Tribbett used to stand on the stage at his concerts (holier than thou) with a Bible reading scriptures (I saw this myself) and telling people what they should be doing and how they should be living. SOOOO, when word comes that he has a 'few issues' himself, it is normal for people to be confused, feel a little betrayed, question his sincerity - before and after . I have said before that it is great for EJ to porovide a spot for people of goodwill to share our comments. It is not nitpicking -- it is navigating through this journey called life and Christianity. I ask myself how do we as individuals live our lives and how do we learn from the mistakes of others. So, IT IS about Tye and IT IS also about ourselves. Blessings to Tye Tribbett. I always look to see what the valley experience brings out of our hearts that can be shared with the world. He will have an amazing testimony to help others. We will see that down the road. More of my two cents.
Boo! LOL
yay! :-)
I really can't wait to hear this album!
It's mighty funny that Mr. Tribbett had nothing to really say about his infidelity for almost a year, but now that he has a cd coming out, he wants to plaster his face all on youtube...LOL what a joke!!
Tye Tribbett discussed his infidelity on national television several months ago. http://localhost/gospelpundit/on-tv-tye-tribbett-sh...
No more GA :(....still gonna check it out though.
Yeah a year later than it surfaced....like I said it's mighty funny that he now is all over the net holding auditions and promoting his new cd, but like I already knew, it's all about the money
Ok.... Why should he have to blast his PERSONAL business all over the place (I think the media did enough of that)??? Should he be walking around with sackclothes & ashes for the rest of his life?? Shoot if thats the case most of the gospel artists wouldn't be qualified to minister the Gospel! As long as he confessed and got right with his wife, his fam, & God.... THE CASE IS CLOSED! No condemnation people. If God treated our repented sins the way we "christians" treat one another... Lord help us all!
Mike C, will you PLEASE post a list all your transgressions so that we may read them? Otherwise, do not go to church, do not witness to the unbelievers, do not even lift your hands and tell God thank you until you do. Thanks. That's just as silly as you can be. No matter how long it was he didn't even have to! That's between him, God, and his wife n kids! It has nothing to do with anyone else. On national TV he told the world about his issue and now he's moving past it! Stop hold things over ppl's head that GOD has forgiven and forgotten.
I totally agree with Melu and Kingdom. God has cast those sins (Tye's and ours) into the sea of forgetfullness. God is a God of mercy and I thank Him for it. Let's lift Tye up not put him down.
Tye Tribbet is not obligated to tell what he has done or admit his sin to his supporters or the public. His infidelity or any other sin he may have commited is between him and God. God is the one that he must seek forgiveness from .Not man but God, so there is really no need in getting upset with him for advertising his new project. Point blank.
While Tye isn't "obligated" to share his personal life with the general public (although he is obligated to be honest with the Lord AND his wife, the one he made vows with), a scandal-free/successful cover up of a scandal image does help (gospel music) record sales, even more so than a repented image (I know, ironic, right?) I've said this before: anybody can sing gospel because there's no requirement to be saved, Holy Ghost filled, fire baptized, blah blah blah. I now see that it is UNREALISTIC to expect that every gospel artist is living a holy life 24/7. That's probably unrealistic to expect that from anybody. I don't buy everybody's gospel music and I'm not impressed with most gospel music that's out today. Let the Lord guide the music you should listen to because ultimately it's the Lord who knows who's producing music from a holy lifestyle versus someone who is unrepentant and whose lifestyle is messy. You can hear the messiness, the carnality, the lack of scriptural foundation in the lyrics and the melodies.
Tam Tam, I respect your opinion, but I think you are mistaken. How in the WORLD can you tell a person's level of "carnality and messiness" based on the songs they put out? Some of the songs of old that we call "classics" we written and sang by artists who were broken and in sin as well. God can and will use ANYBODY he choses. He used Rahab, A PROSTITUTE to protect his own ppl. Stop being so quick to spew out statements that are rooted in person opinion and preferences.
"Then Jesus called to the crowd to come and hear. “Listen,” he said, “and try to understand. 11 It’s not what goes into your mouth that defiles you; you are defiled by the words that come out of your mouth." (Matthew 15:10-11, NLT) Matthew 7:16-20 "Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them. (KJV). So maybe a person's level of carnality and messiness can be known based on the songs an artists puts out, Hmmm.... I agree that the Lord can use anybody at anytime but let's remember the principal thing: the Lord can only use that person when that person SUBMITS to the Lord and allows him/herself to be used. It's called FREE WILL. Your example of Rahab, the prostitute, ALLOWED the LORD to use her. She obeyed the direction of the man of God (Joshua) out of her own free will.
Definition of boo - 1) a loud exclamation intended to scare someone, especially a child. Usually used when one has been hidden from the victim and then suddenly appeared unexpectedly. When I used the term "boo," I was referrencing that definition for the picture on that video. Rob, you killed my joke,
So what are you saying? Is Tye restored? Do you know for sure? If not, leave it alone. Find it in your own personal conviction whether or not you buy his CD.
i dont really care about his personal life thats not my bizz...ive just honestly neva been a fan so ill prolly listen to one of my musciains copy cuz yu kno they gon buy it
People need to get over it. Tye got a new album coming out. Rather your a gospel artist or secular, bad exposure is good exposure. Sorry to put it that way but thats the biz. Yall betta stop believing that these "GOSPEL ENTERTAINERS" live in glass houses and are just perfect and untouchable. Their lives shatter just like ours.You might lose one fan, but you will definitely gain another for the one you lost. His PR team knows exactly how to handle this and from what I'm seeing they doing a great job cuz people still talking about it. Tye is going to sell trust and believe. :)
I am not interested in being part of the salvation patrol to go and spy on Tye (or anybody else) to see if they're living right. And that's NOT the point of my posts. My first post advises all of us to AVOID having these UNREALISTIC EXPECTATIONS of perfection from gospel artists, period. What I DO NOT appreciate is when anybody tries to intentionally deceive, and that includes a gospel artist attempting to spit-shine his or her image to keep selling records. Without calling names, we've seen gospel music artists go a LONG WAY to conceal stuff. On the other hand, we've seen gospel music artists who made an open confession about their issues and included a course of action toward restoration. Each made his or her own choice concerning that. And I have a choice of whether or not to (continue to) support that artist by buying their music, personal conviction or otherwise.
If it matters, I have ITuned a couple of Tye's songs and I saw him in concert earlier this year. I believe I could discern a young man who's trying to get himself together and get beyond his issues and do the best of what he knows to do with regard to music ministry. I hope for the best in everyone but there's a need for BALANCE: Matthew 10:16: "I am sending you out like sheep among wolves. Therefore be as shrewd as snakes and as innocent as doves."
And that's that's the whole point of this this thing. Most gospel artists are doing and have done these types of things. They either try to hide it or move towards restoration which in Tye's case I would say the latter. Like I said earlier, it's in your own personal conviction whether or not you want to still buy his CD's.
It goes beyond a personal conviction of simply buying CDs or not to the extent that those who are supposed to be DEFENDERS of the FAITH (being a Christian, a follower of Jesus Christ) to ensure that people are not fooled by the antics of gospel artists (or anyone). So as TRUTHFUL, FACTUAL, PROVEN information is made available, than that's when personal conviction can kick in. Notice I didn't say gossip, rumors, and whatnot. I said TRUTH. And you know what, now that I think about it: what does "personal conviction" mean? Shouldn't we be convicted by the Holy Spirit? We all (are supposed to) be guided by the SAME HOLY SPIRIT. What's personal about that? I guess it's personal if one decides to get "personal" with the Holy Spirit.
I feel you on that one. What I mean by personalis there are certain things some Christians choose not to do but aren't as specifically talked about about in the Bible. Like the Word doesn't specifically say don't watch r-rated movies or go on Facebook/Twitter or too much TV but I know Christians who choose not to. You're absolutely right that we are all convicted by the same Holy Spirit. But it may be something that you've experienced personally or something that's not a sin but you feel will cause a negative YOUR spiritual life that may not affect another believer the same way. 1 Corinthians 6:12 (NKJV) 12 All things are lawful for me, but all things are not helpful. All things are lawful for me, but I will not be brought under the power of any.
While I do see your larger point in terms of free will and choice, your choice of comparison (movies, Facebook, etc. versus gospel music artists and their "fruit", if you will). In my humble opinion, for me, simply, is this: there ought to be a STANDARD based on the Word of God. We're to help each other to uphold that standard for the cause of Christ. Proverbs 27:17 "As iron sharpens iron, so a friend sharpens a friend."
Edit: your choice of comparison (movies, Facebook, etc. versus gospel music artists and their "fruit", if you will), isn't completely congruent.
Another REDEMPTION TOUR with scriptures liberally used to justify his comeback and to silence those who want to remember what he did before he got caught. I see it with Tye, I see it with J. Moss and I see it with ministers like Zachery Tims. These people sin big (while all the time telling us how to live). THEN, wHEN they get busted, they sit down for a minute and THEN they come up with a fresh annointing with a LOOKING FORWARD message that is an attempt to make us feel unsaintly and guilty if we bring up their past deeds. It is all about the money. I do not have a problem with that. I want them to just say 'it is all about the money'. I am cool with that. Just say, 'it's all about the money'. AMEN. (my two cents)
Yea yeah I know I was just giving different examples (movies, facebook, buying certain gospel CD's, all that stuff). I certainly agree every day we as believers should encourage each other to go out and reach that perfect standard that is found in the Word of God!
@ Kingdom...I ain't posting nothing, I'm not the one trying to promote a gospel album HE IS...and I am so sick of people "oh don't judge him" "i don't care about his personal life" (when Tye Tribbett was the most judgmental gospel artist I have ever seen)....how silly, if his personal life don't line up with the public image then what's the point...I bet you people would defend a child molester if he made good music and made your spine tingle...lol WACK...
I agree that we shouldn't just blow it off and try to defend these artists just b/c we like their music. It's not like he's trying to hide it though, he talked about it on TV. Whether or not he should be trying to get right with God and still promote his new CD is questionable though....
@ Kingdom, People can spew out what they want...freedom of expression, and Just because God can use who he wants, doesn't mean a person can knowingly commit sins, while having concerts bashing people who listen to secular music, and bashing secular artist for being secular. Then hide for a year, then come out around the time they finishing up their cd, then confess to the public, then a few months later get on youtube and hold auditions for dancers, and promote a new GOSPEL cd...smh that's lame, and I wouldn't even be going so hard on Tye if he wasn't always so arrogantly bashing people who sin] as if he had never done anything...
Mike C, with all due respect, it appears that you're holding Tye to a standard based on how he used to act, not based on Scripture. You say "I wouldn't even be going so hard on Tye if he wasn't always so arrogantly bashing people who sin] as if he had never done anything." But that's not what the Bible says we are to do. The Bible doesn't say "GO HARD" on people who are arrogant. From where do you get support to go hard "because" of his arrogance? Isn't that God's job? Further, I don't know if you saw the TV interview where he admitted to his infidelity, but he ALSO repented for bashing people so ferociously. He said he was too zealous and the Lord has shown him that he needs to cool out. So, what are you really still upset about? Did the repentance not come as early as you thought it should? Was it not heartfelt enough? Did he not grovel? The fact is that God accepts it when it comes and, since we're lower than God, we don't have a right to hold out on grace and mercy any longer than He does. I think you should consider your heart motives for being angry, repent and go pray for the brother. Just my two cents...
I am SOOO glad God is not like man. If that were the case, we all would have been destroyed LONNGGG ago. I commend Tye for admitting to his sin. Instead of bashing and condemning him, why not pray for him. FOR ALL HAVE SINNED AND FALL SHORT OF THE GLORY OF GOD AND ARE JUSTIFIED FREELY BY HIS GRACE (thank you Father for YOUR grace) THROUGH THE REDEMPTION THAT CAME BY CHRIST. If the Lord Almighty, Creator of heaven and earth, Most High God, has forgiven Tye for what he has done and has freely given him grace for his guilt, WHO ARE WE to stand in judgment. C'mon now BODY OF CHRIST...are we displaying the love of God by attacking one of our own? I thought that was the world's job?!?!? I will continue to support Tye in his ministry because it's God (not Tye) that I worship, it's God (not Tye) who I praise, and it's God (not TYE!) who gets the glory!!!
EJ -- Why should he have to repent? I think it is wonderful and refreshing that people of good will have an opportunity to express their frustrations about the real hypocracy we see. It is in our faces. I personally wish the best for Tye Tribbett. I do, however, want it known that I recognize a pattern and a formula that is played out over and over. They act super righteous and we find out they are not. Then WE are expected to repent because WE see the pattern and comment? (Mike C might should to repent, who knows) Shared in love -- my two cents. We all got two cents.
Virginia Hall oops - EDIT -- Mike C might want to repent, who knows
@Virginia Hall -- I think people toss the word "hypocrisy" around too much. How was Tye hypocritical? Because he said people ought not sin, but was sinning himself? That's the testimony of every Christian. ALL Christians SHOULD be against sin, but they will continue to be sinful anyway. What really frosts peoples' cookies about Tye is NOT that he was outspoken about sin (every preacher in America is outspoken, and we don't call them hypocrites)-- no, people have a problem with his APPROACH. So, knowing that his APPROACH is what is offensive to people, not his belief system, I reminded Mike C that Tye has repented for his APPROACH by acknowledging that he was too zealous and that God has challenged him to be more loving in it. As such, we can no longer hold that against him... if he repented for it, God forgave him for it, and that's the end of it. But people don't want that to be the end... they want to continue to talk about how rude he was, how hurtful he was, how abrasive and arrogant he was. That is SINFUL because God does not allow us to HARBOR anger just because someone behaved in an unGodly way. So, I encouraged Mike C to repent for that. In an earlier post, you mentioned that people unfairly try to "silence those who want to remember what he did before he got caught." What type of Christian WANTS to remember what someone did before they got caught? And WHY would a Christian, saved and redeemed by grace in their own life, want to hold on to that right-- the right to remember past sins of others? For what?! lol As it relates to his artistry, support it or don't. And have your reasons for doing so. But Tye handled his sin when he handled it. Maybe WE didn't get the resolution that we wanted, or when we wanted, but beyond REPENTING, he really doesn't owe us a resolution as it relates to his sin. Anything that we want to hold on to is not of God-- and for that, we need to repent.
Let every man examine HIMSELF [Read 1 Cor. 11:28, Matt. 7:3-5]
Hello EJ I had several deeply held opinions which I expressed. There are no amount of words which will make me change my mind. It is my truth based on my historical observatons. My truth which I expressed has nothing to do with forgiveness or attitude toward sin or even rendemption. I see a set of facts which are played out over and over again. It is just that. -- a set of facts that play out over and over. I commented on what I see. We are a forgiving people. That is what we are taught. That is how we as Christians should lives our lives. In the meantime, it is still very important that we talk about the transgressions we see and actively work to make sure we are living lives that are not double. That is our responsibility to make sure we learn from the mistakes of others and try to be the best people we can be.
I agree with you in that regard. I think there are A LOT of lessons to be learned from the transgressions and shortcomings of artists in the gospel industry, as with any leader. My only point was to say that I don't know that people should base their CURRENT support of an artist on PAST transgressions, once those past transgressions have been repented for. But I hear what you're saying.
EJ -- I am with you on that. We study history so we don't make the same mistakes twice. However, it is completely foolish to bash and bash someone over past issues. What we don't know is how many hours of sadness, crying, praying and repenting they have been involved with. We have to separate their personal journey from the lesson we need to learn. My two cents and I think I am done. Keep up the great work.
I don't think it's about the TIMING of the transgressions because if that logic were to be applied across the board, what would we do about FUTURE transgressions? Should I not buy fill in the blank's new CD this month because he MIGHT sin next month? I think it's about two things: 1) APPROACH and 2) AFTERMATH (of the transgression). Similar to what you said upthread, EJ: the APPROACH. In Tye's case, it wasn't the content (avoiding sin), it was about his APPROACH to delivering the content: from what I gather, was rather harsh, condescending, judgemental, even? (I'm guessing). In the same way, the APPROACH and AFTERMATH relates to how the transgression was dealt with: did the person attempt to cover up/hide the transgression? Or did the person come forth and confess (to whatever audience is most appropriate, public and/or private). Or did the person come forth after they were caught? Did the person have a contrite heart or was he/she arrogant and unrepentent? It takes A LOT of courage to admit a sin, esp. when the world's eyeballs are on one's back. It makes one think twice if the "fame" is really worth it.
Mike C, my point exactly. Lol..smh.
Your point exactly what?? Waht are you talking about?? u haven't said anything
Spin it how you want, got more respect for Zac Tims than Tye Tribbett, at least he apologized b4 time and sat hisself down...but Tye's under contract and gotta get those cds out every two yrs I guess
@ EJ I just read both your post and all I have to say is... I real sincere man would have fessed up to his supporters b4 anything ever came out; like Da Truth, Ambassodor and Zac Tims did, those three have all my respect, real mean fess up, they don't hide for a year then make some apology on a tv show, 2 months b4 they release an album, seems very contrived to me...
Real men 'fess up? Wow..... Whatever happened to respecting a man (or woman) for honoring their vows? Not looking for perfection, but it's sad that those who are doing the honorable thing don't get celebrated. And we wonder why another generation is going the way it is... lack of role models.
Tye doesn't owe me OR you an explanation about his infidelity. That's all between him, his wife, the woman he was seeing and God. It's no one else's business really.
I think it is important for everyone in leadership to remember that vulnerable and hurting people are listening to their songs for inspiration and paying attention to the ministers' sermons for real help understanding God's word. What an awesome responsibility for anybody. Fair or unfair - that is the reality. So, the debate is academic for many of us on this blog. My heart breaks for those young people in the world who looked up to Tye or the members who believed the apparent sincerity of Zachery Timms. I think our challenge as Christians is to be 'everyday leaders' and represent God with every step we take. More of my two cents. Two cents can go quite far in the blog economy.
I am not thrilled that he is making another cd ( not a fan,but love some of his songs), but I won`t judge until I hear it.
NO body cares boooooooo he is old news....
we who are believers of the TRUE and LIVING GOD and SAVED by Grace..have to be CAREFUL and rely on the WORD of GOD..to know the difference between carnal christians and those who are called by the annointing. We are to "come out from among those of this world" ... and as Christians we are to be examples of being CHRIST-like... and we are noticed by the unbeliever by the way we as believers LIVE and NOT what we say as believers, for me gospel music is supposed to HAVE the anointing up and thru it BASED UPON THE WORD OF GOD not just a performance and hi-hop drum beat. Mr. Tribbitts has a larger responsibility to his wife and likewise his wife to him, his children , his church and to those who follow him..his salvation I'm not in question of..because it is written , he that is without sin cast the first stone..this incident with regard to "Da Truth" Mr. Tribitts and those involved..I pray that all will be lifted up in prayer, forgiven and be an example for those who may be in the same experience NOW..that GOD is in the RESTORATION BUSINESS.. but ONLY if you confess to GOd all that you are NOT..and to those we have offended.. according to the word of God..
Sooo... I actually took the time to read ALL these posts(crazy me)and some people never cease to amaze me. I mean its so funny how we "christains" can judge people like we're the ones who these entertainers have to answer to...at one point, I enjoyed comming to this site,but now, there's waayy too much "holier than thou" attitudes goin on. It just makes me sick sometimes-and this post goes waayy beyond tye tribbett. @EJ- I have much respect for you and this site, but when I read some of these comments disturb me to my soul...all I have to say is that I am so glad that I serve Jesus-and not people, because God doesn't spend all of his time searchin and nitpicking on what's on the outside(because this flesh can't go to heaven) I am so greatful that the almighty looks at my soul!!
@daviacarter YOur comments are good,, theoretically. There are some singers -- if they are caught up in unholy situations -- we say 'whatever' and move on. Now, Tye Tribbett used to stand on the stage at his concerts (holier than thou) with a Bible reading scriptures (I saw this myself) and telling people what they should be doing and how they should be living. SOOOO, when word comes that he has a 'few issues' himself, it is normal for people to be confused, feel a little betrayed, question his sincerity - before and after . I have said before that it is great for EJ to porovide a spot for people of goodwill to share our comments. It is not nitpicking -- it is navigating through this journey called life and Christianity. I ask myself how do we as individuals live our lives and how do we learn from the mistakes of others. So, IT IS about Tye and IT IS also about ourselves. Blessings to Tye Tribbett. I always look to see what the valley experience brings out of our hearts that can be shared with the world. He will have an amazing testimony to help others. We will see that down the road. More of my two cents.
omg i cant wait til it comez!!!!!!!!!