Word Has It: Kim Burrell’s New Look & New Life
by EJ on Jan.20, 2010 at 10:36 am, under Industry
You’re not gonna really believe any of this… but it’s for real. And I’m quite thrilled to see where it goes!
Many of you know that Kim Burrell has lost over 100 lbs. in recent months, following a medical diagnosis suggesting that her health was in jeopardy.
Well, word has it that Kim Burrell has a new lease on life and she’s making BIG moves. She’s recently launched a NEW official website (http://www.backstagewithkim.com), with NEW photos and a coupla NEW announcements…
The website shares that, in addition to an endorsement deal, she’s got a reality series in the works AND is working on her “first SECULAR album.”
*pauses*
OKAY, so, there you have it, folks. I encourage you to check out her full website for yourself, and make sure you sign-up there to receive her updates and become a member of her mobile club!
See below for a screenshot from her new website:
And her latest Twitter profile pic– make sure you follow her at http://www.twitter.com/kimburrelllove:
I think she looks tasteful and great. And, knowing her, even if she does a “secular” album, she’s gonna be giving God glory in it and through it.
I KNOW some of you are thrilled, others will be really ticked… either way, I wanna hear your thoughts. WHAT DO YOU THINK?!
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January 20th, 2010 on 10:49 am
I luv me some Kim but she looks likes Miss J from America’s Next Top Model in that pic on the main page lol.
January 20th, 2010 on 10:57 am
I’m SO TORN!
I’m EXCITED and FEARFUL and FULL OF ANTICIPATION and CONCERN!
*doing a chair dance with a hint of side eye and raised eyebrows*
January 20th, 2010 on 10:59 am
I have to say that I am sorta disappointed to hear about this upcoming “secular” album. It’s a contradiction to everything Kim preached in the past about why and how she could never do that. Does she expect to compete with some of the top artists in mainstream at this stage of the game? Not to be insulting because it’s great that she lost the weight however she still doesn’t have the “look” nor is she at the “age” that flourishes in that image-driven industry. So, what is the point of this decision? What is she looking to gain inside the secular world that she can’t depend on God to give working in the gospel industry? More fame & fortune, sadly. I’ll be praying for Kim.
January 20th, 2010 on 11:12 am
lol @ “Wow”
I have to say, there IS a striking resemblance to Ms. J there. I’m sorry but this image change - is Kim Burrell supposed to be found SEXY now with this photograph of her in lingerie, fishnet stockings, and high heels? I’m not a male so I can’t really call it. Maybe that is sexy & enticing to the heterosexual male part of her fanbase. Like I said, it’s nice that she lost the weight but uhh….I dunno, god bless Kim. I don’t know who she’s allowed to get in her ear and convince her of some of these decisions.
January 20th, 2010 on 11:19 am
lol. chair dancin. Miss J. liquid leggings. fishnets. pearls.
#notin2010
i cant.
congrats on the weight loss tho.
January 20th, 2010 on 11:29 am
LOL @ Lou!
I want new music but…DANG IT, KIM! DANG IT!
I need a strawberry milkshake from Chik-fil-A and a nap…being torn is exhausting…
January 20th, 2010 on 11:42 am
LOL! y’all about to make me lose my job from laughing so loud…
i’m going to assume that this new music will be similar to Stevie Wonder since she’s always talking about him and not like “Single Ladies” or “Poker Face”, although that would be quite interesting…
January 20th, 2010 on 11:47 am
@EaZy– right! I’m assuming that by “secular,” it means… inspirational, about love, about life. Cuz that’s in keeping with who Kim Burrell is.
She ain’t gonna be short-skirtin’ and tube-toppin’ or anything.
January 20th, 2010 on 11:51 am
From a musician point of view, I have always looked at Kim as a jazz artist, and she does have a strong jazz following; myself being one of them. Nevertheless, I wish her the very best, and having seen her perform in a secular venue, I know that she will put God first in whatever direction she chooses to go.
January 20th, 2010 on 11:58 am
I don’t know, EJ…
The short-skirt & tube top are cousins to way she rocked the leggings and full slip showing the top of the boobs while using pearls to cover the cleav, lol.
I hope you, EaZy, and Novella are right though!
January 20th, 2010 on 12:31 pm
I think she will do great music wise and the weight loss looks good, but I must admit there is something a little off with the website picture. I know.. the first thing they say is that church people are judging and so on, but lately some gospel artist are making weird decisions and kinda saying to hell with the church people. However, these are the people who buy your music. If you’re not accountable to those who buy your music that says alot about you as a person. Kim has an awesome ministry, but, be honest, the picture and the ministry don’t match.
I don’t know about anyone else, but when I think about where gospel is going it scares me. No one is saying you can’t be sexy or can’t be friends with secular artist, but come on draw a line somewhere. Oh.. another thing. I’ve heard so many gospel artist say “well you don’t know these secular artist behind the scene. They really love God.” While this may be true, often times that’s not what the display on stage. So ….when YOUR youth in the church see artist mixing…. they are confused. I know they say this is how you reach the youth and unsaved, but that’s a lie. Give them the word. The word can reach anybody.
When thugs want to get a “good church girl” they don’t change or look holy. They walk right up with baggy jeans etc. So why do we feel that we have to change our dress, change our speech, and change our music to reach the sinner. (Just a thought.) When was the last time you heard JayZ, TI, Lil Wayne, or Erica Badu say “I’m going to do my gospel album this year?” Come on people wake up.
The only time you hear a secular artist say I’m going to make a gospel album is when the world is tired of hearing them. Why? Because most of the people their age have “gotten old and saved” and in the church. So the artist go where their money is. Some may get mad but it’s the truth.
Finally, for the record, let me say that I don’t feel there is anything wrong with clean secular and inspiration music. However, artist need to check their motives and me real about them. Stop getting mad when YOUR fans ask question. I love MaryMary, but lately they give church the cold shoulder when they are asked about the last album. They write them off as Haters. I mean come on, the lyrical content is great, but be honest the clothes, collaborations, etc are questionable. (Just an observation.) They sing about compassion and the love of Christ, but they aren’t being compassionate to the people who really love them, but just don’t understand. Help them understand. There was a time when artist cared about what their fans thought. Tye is a great preacher and a dynamic artist. When he had his winter retreat he was on constantly blogging about it. However, he has of yet to come on and talk about or explain to his fans what is really going on with this scandal. Are his fans just supposed to except it and move on? When Mark Sanford and other politicians mess up we want answers. When preachers and gospel artist mess up we say don’t judge.
Well I could go on and on, but that’s all.
January 20th, 2010 on 12:35 pm
Ok.. I am a fan of Kim and I listen to all types of music, so I’m excited to hear what’s coming. BeBe and CeCe, MaryMary, Donnie McClurkin, Yolanda Adams, Kirk Franklin, and many others do “secular” music so its no big deal. She’s still co-pastor and COGIC Dr Kim to me and I’ll continue to keep her in my prayers, regardless. But I must admit that I was surprised! And I hear that she had Whitney shouting and the whole place tore up at the BET Honors on Saturday!! lol Can’t wait to see that/hear that also.. I’ll be right there glued to the t.v. set on Feb 1st!!!
January 20th, 2010 on 12:37 pm
@elijah: you did go “on & on” lol
January 20th, 2010 on 12:54 pm
In an iterview she said it was inspirational album and a lot of things we call “gospel” are inspirational. The only difference is that she called it inspirational/secular. But anyway I’m happy for her and I can’t wait to see her reality show.
January 20th, 2010 on 12:56 pm
@Keisha.. I don’t think that is sexy at all. To me that picture looks like a Derek Blanks alter ego photo without the other ego added…
Isn’t she a VP of the COGIC music department? I wonder what Bishop Blake and Judy McCallister think of that risqué photo?
January 20th, 2010 on 1:01 pm
“Why? Because most of the people their age have “gotten old and saved” and in the church. So the artist go where their money is. Some may get mad but it’s the truth.”
I’m with Lou, #notin2010….
January 20th, 2010 on 1:09 pm
love this…
but lately some gospel artist are making weird decisions and kinda saying to hell with the church people.
#flipfloppin.
50/50 on this
However, these are the people who buy your music.
#initiallytheydid… now? church folk dont buy music. lol
don’t know what’chall are buyin, but it ain’t music. check the charts. lol
good stuff tho elijah.
and EJ, it DOES look like she’s about to break out into a mean chorus of single ladies in the twitter profile pic.
*clappin and rockin in my choir robe* whooa uh oh… put ya hands up!
January 20th, 2010 on 1:23 pm
Come on now Kim………why you got to go and do that (make a secular album) LOOKING CONFUSED :~(
January 20th, 2010 on 1:28 pm
Some of these comments have been hilarious! God bless, Kim and I hope all goes well.
January 20th, 2010 on 2:06 pm
ok, out of curiosity…….no one else will ask. yes she looks great, was it plastic surgery or gastric bypass. i love kim, she looks wonderful. i wanted to know. please don’t get deep for a person asking (most people should inquire as many of us struggle with weight issues in the world).
the secular album, i’m thrilled. we need more talk about life and not just Jesus, Jesus, Jesus. let’s be real, i need something to cuddle to with my baby. ha, ha……………..
she’s going to get the wealth of the wicked, as it is stored up for the just. hee hee……..
i love me some kim burrell. i will purchase it no matter what. EJ, what label will be on?
January 20th, 2010 on 2:25 pm
Shanachie.
January 20th, 2010 on 2:29 pm
LOLOL. The picture almost made me grab my Tye CD (if I actually owned one) just to hear him yell, “Where’s the standard?!”
January 20th, 2010 on 2:34 pm
@elijah I agree with you with most of what you said but when has MaryMary given the church the cold? I’ve never seen it or read it anywhere. They have done alot for the kingdom. You need to reach people who are unreachable and some churches are just not doing it.
January 20th, 2010 on 2:48 pm
Balance is the key 2 life! Do your thing Kim!
January 20th, 2010 on 2:51 pm
Who’s the guy in the photo with Kim?
January 20th, 2010 on 3:07 pm
wow hmmm. i’m torn. But i will say, i’m dissappointed in the verbiage used on the site. “Get all the juicy details, hot topics and yes, even the DRAMA first hand” Seriously? Am i dreaming? Are we being punk’d? “Meet her entourage and celebrity friends” No more meeting Jesus? now its celebrity friends we’re being introduced to? Did the illuminati get to her? Oh sweet baby Jesus no!!!! (joke) Its like they erased ALL hints of her being a Christian artist. And now she’s saying, “this is the REAL Kim Burrell”? Seriously, who was she for the past 10 years? Was her ministry FAKE? Was the God she represented all a sham? Maybe this would be easier to swallow if the change wasn’t so abrupt. dont know… I need Ed Lover to say, C’mon Son!
January 20th, 2010 on 3:10 pm
@shawn. I’m not saying they are not effective, but I am saying explain your moves to your fans. Maybe people don’t buy music like they use to but let’s not forget who put them there. I would also like to add that doing music (endorsing) the “unreachable’s” favorite artist is not going to reach them either. Ok…yeah…. they may know your SONG, but when you get ready to “speak” or minister to them from the BOOK they won’t hear you. The first thing they will say is “How are you gonna tell me that when you…” or “You are being too deep.” So .. what do we do… water down our messages, say less Jesus in our lyrics, and sell thousands of albums.
Nothing is wrong with love songs and inspirational songs, but decide what you wanna be. We say our main goal is to reach people. Well… we have to realize that we have to go get them and bring them back…not go to reach them and set up shop. I’m just being real. Don’t confuse people and don’t just label people as haters that don’t understand. What I mean by give the church the cold shoulder is the way they answer the questions about it in interviews. Here is a quote from Tina in an interview with path magazine when asked about their critics “I just wanna go on and say this.. If we wanted to be R&B we would be R&B. If I wanted to be hip hop I would be that. I’m doing what I wanna do.It’s in our hearts to sing gospel.” They had to know these questions were coming. We know they love God and gospel music and that’s why so many people have questions. No one ask Beyonce why she wears a certain thing or collaborated with this person. Why? Because you doesn’t live by our standard. We are supposed to be a peculiar people.
January 20th, 2010 on 3:20 pm
Sometimes we let certain circumstances serve as barriers to us being able to show people who we really are. I beleive that with Kim it was the weight and the stress over her health. That barreier is gone and now she’s able to show us another side of Kim. She’s still the same person but she might have a new outlook on her life. Personally I LOVE IT!! It’s called EVOLUTION. Some people want to change and others don’t and if you don’t then honestly you’ll get left in the dust. Kim is taking advantage of it and trying to expand her brand. It may be a bit much for some so soon but it’s 2010 and if she’s gonna go for I say go for it!! I wish her well.
January 20th, 2010 on 3:29 pm
I’m thrilled with this idea! Kim has turned a new leaf in so many ways. I always respected her musically, but I didn’t like her arrogant personality before. She’s so different now and it’s all good. God bless Kim! Look forward to her new projects.
January 20th, 2010 on 3:36 pm
funny thing is… Jesus never changed who He was to reach people. Let’s be honest. These artists change for the advancement of themselves and cause they enjoy what the world has to offer… let’s not kid ourselves. Gospel music industry alone doesn’t offer much… and people gotta eat.
I really think people completely misunderstand what Paul meant about becoming all things to all men…etc
January 20th, 2010 on 3:36 pm
Kim Burrell is so amazing, and so talented. I have no doubts that whatever she puts out will be tastefully and beautifully made. I am so glad to see that she took the advice of her doctors and did something about her weight. I hope she can be an inspiration to others in the industry to get serious about their health, and do what is necessary.
I will support her efforts to put her message out, because I think she has something to share with the non-gospel listening community. I just hope the gospel-listening community isn’t too uppity to hear it also; we could learn something.
January 20th, 2010 on 3:39 pm
FTL!!!!! I can’t believe it. Some might applaud but I don’t. You can’t serve two masters! The “Master” of secular isn’t the “Master” of Gospel. If we are in a war, how can you fight on both sides? You throwin bombs at everybody with divided loyalty!!! SMH! But of course I’ll be shunned for my thoughts…but I don’t care. Christ never compromised the truth… Body of Christ wake up. Stop being scared to speak up!!!! U can’t make a WRONG, right!!! Choose ye this day whom you will serve!!! Every choice is a work of service!!
January 20th, 2010 on 3:41 pm
Oh, and other thing…outside of her music ministry, Kim is either an asst. pastor or co-pastor, I can’t remember which. Whatever the case, I don’t know what church you all go to, but I wouldn’t want my co-pastor leading me into worship after having seen her in fish nets and rollers. Let our good not be evil spoken of, and not being deep or cryptic, but we must shun the very appearance of evil, and NOTHING about that picture says, “Maybe I should send a prostitute to this woman for prayer.”
January 20th, 2010 on 3:44 pm
No body can do it like Kim!!! Love her to death! She has really blessed me on a number of occassions. Have to admit though…I really wish she wouldn’t do the secular album. I understand balance and still praising God no matter what genre you do but sanctification is to be set apart for Gods glory. Not our own pleasure or anyone elses pleasure and the bible tells us to abstain from even the appearance of evil. I admit I havnt always been very successful at that so I dare not even try to judge anyone else. Kim and Kim alone will have to answer to God for her actions. God bless you Kim & I’ll be praying for you…yes I’m still gonna listen but I really wish you wouldn’t do it.
January 20th, 2010 on 4:31 pm
I’m so proud of Kim Burrell for her weight-loss, it has inspired me even more to get in shape.
I am disappointed about the secular album even though I do listen to secular music. This is why. Kim Burrell was a role model for me in a way being that I am a 20 yr old upcoming Gospel Recording Artist & have struggled with a choice to do what I love which is Gospel Music or what’s most popular. I look at artist like Justin Bieber & Jonas Brothers who are sooo popular and are known all over the world and receive so much attention & I must admit that it’s appealing to me seeing as I started in R&B when I was really young (2 yrs old). I received that kind of attention even though it was only in a few states and so many gospel artists seem to be struggling and it’s no secret that it’s harder to make it in gospel music. My Biggest fear was finally getting my album out & still having to work a 9-5 to pay my bills, know what I mean?
I say all that to say Kim Burrell was the one example that said You can be EXTREMELY SUCCESSFUL without having to stray from Gospel Music. She is known all over the world, she has received calls from Harry Conick Jr, Stevie Wonder & other HUGE Celebrities to work with them and they all knew she is a GOSPEL Artist. She even sang at Omarion’s bday Party. She was whom I thought about when I was struggling with whether or not I was gonna do Gospel or Pop/R&B. I admired her for doing Gospel & Only Gospel no matter what & being successful, wealthy, popular & sought after by artists & producers of every genre as a GOSPEL ARTIST.
Honestly I will still support her because I love her voice. I do listen to all different types of music so if the songs are good, I won’t enjoy her music and voice any less because it’s not gospel. & I will not let this deter me from doing Gospel Music because although I look forward to being popular & successful all over the world, my 1st priority is reaching the youth and being a positive young role model for saved, christian youth & an example for unsaved youth that there are REAL SAVED YOUNG CHRISTIANS and you can be SUCCESSFUL & HAPPY being Young & Saved. I believe that success & popularity will come but it’s gonna be an unmatched success & popularity because the people that reach out to me as an artist will be reaching out to me because God used me to touch them through music.
January 20th, 2010 on 4:42 pm
Sigh…. I’m browsing so I have to go back and read everything carefully but simply: Kim and secular do not mix. If Kim is singing anythang other than Jesus, BIG SIGH…. Kim’s talent cannot be categorized in any record label category. She doesn’t need to do tricks to get the “secular” money. Please don’t compromise, Kim…. Just do you.
January 20th, 2010 on 4:56 pm
SOME MORE COMPROMISING SELFISH GREEDY MONEY WANTING GABAGE!!
January 20th, 2010 on 4:59 pm
@TAM TAM
SHE ALREADY COMPROMISED! THE MOMENT SHE SAID “SECULAR” NOW SHE WILL JOIN THE RANKS OF ALL OF THE OTHER SELF SERVIN “GOSPEL” ARTISTS THATS OUT HERE. ANYBODY WHO APPLAUDS THIS KINDA FILTH REALLY NEED TO CHECK THEYSELF
January 20th, 2010 on 5:02 pm
@elijah I understand what your saying. But they (Mary Mary) don’t have to explain every detail as to what they are doing musically. They have not crossed the line “musically speaking” in my opinion. From what I read they always pray and fast before they go into a studio session to record their records.
Times have changed and in order to reach the “unsaved” who have to be relevant. The “unsaved” are not going to listen to gospel especially if you are not relevant. MaryMary is relevant. As long as their motives are right who are we to judge. Everyone has critics, Jesus him self had critics in his day. Maybe MaryMary should do a Live Chat with fans to clear some things up.
Now as for Kim I love your ministry and I don’t think she will be forsaking Gospel music to sing secular music. Remember back the day when Bebe and CeCe Winans came out and the church was go against them for not saying “Jesus” in their music. But their music was inspirational. The way I see it in everything God has the master plan. If you really care about these artist and you are really concerned for them pray for them. Really pray for them.
January 20th, 2010 on 5:28 pm
I like Kim’s new attitude and out look on life. I think the picture with her in fish nets is a personal picture perhaps maybe if she had on a coat to cover. Now I wouldn’t mind look at that picture if I didn’t know who she was or what positions that she holds. I am sure this is going to cause some talk within the industry. I am still a die hard fan of hers. As far as a secular record goes i think it is reffering to the new fan base she is trying to reach and the marketing approach behind it. It may be placed in a secular section such as Rnb rather than gospel to ensure that people see it. But I think Kim still has her conviction to Christ which she often talks about. I still question what the reality show will be about. Wonder what her church member think? Will she still be attending there?As her career has been pushed into high gear?
January 20th, 2010 on 5:43 pm
Go ‘head Kim! I’m excited about her new look and this upcoming secular album…..God gets the glory anyhow
January 20th, 2010 on 6:17 pm
Elijah I looooooooooooooooved your post…totally spot on!!!
and yeah alot of the posts here were so hilarious I laughed so hard.
Re - her weight loss…. dunno but I doubt it was by working out and eating healthy orelse she would have said something of the sort
If she is a pastor/VP of the COGIC music dept and she’s making this move then Lord have mercy on the COGIC body….
and um why is she trying to present herslelf like she’s 23….like somone rightly said weight loss or not she’s still not all that and a bag of chips and image and looks are important in the secular music field…..u think Beyonce is at the top of her game just cos of her vocals and songs which have no depth - no that gal is incredibly STUNNING. I reckon Miss Kim should just stay in gosple..but we’ve seen it all b4 anyway they stray to secular flop then come back to the church and gospel so she’ll be back when her secular album fails to keep up with Mary J Blige/Rihanna/ beyonce / Alicia keys and co……
Anyway the gospel industry is a joke now anyways…with Yolanda Adams continually showing all her boobs… Mary Mary always wearing rediculously tight clothing to the shallow content of alot of the songs that are churned.. no wonder gospel sales have dropped…
All we can say is Lord have mercy!
January 20th, 2010 on 8:20 pm
Elijah, I didn’t read your 1st post earlier but i totally agree when these gospel artists mess up, they should come forth and explain what has happened so we are not left in the dark wondering what happened? I feel like they owe these young people who look up to them an explanation because they look up to them & admire them so when something like this happens, what are they suppose to think. What troubles me is the artists, preachers, christian celebs, etc mess up & someone says something about it, they are called judgemental or haters. totally not fair. Why should you be able to do whatever you want right or wrong but we the people who support you and look up to you be looked at as bad people if we say something or ask questions. Alot of artists are so arrogant when they mess up too & actually some other artists who are friends of theirs are worse than them. You see the tweets or fb msgs saying “Hi Haters” or “Get Over It”. Not cool! You mess up, then you should accept responsibility & just live right from that point on. That’s the best thing you can do to regain the respect that you lost when you made that bad decision. I understand they feel like they should get privacy like others but with a Great Position comes great responsibility & great publicity. You can’t just do anything you want because people (young people) are watching what you do and you might be the only God they ever see.
January 20th, 2010 on 8:39 pm
Oh gosh, I wish some of you people grow up…And yes, it was not Mary Mary that shun the church, but the church shunned Mary Mary and others because Christians are quick to be critical and they don’t have their own life together. And yes, Kim, Mandisa and others are inspiring Christians to get off their rear end and try to do something with their weight and yes, the majority of church folk are morbidly obese instead of getting off the fried chicken and sitting down and their life is being destroyed by inactivity.
And all you people who have these critical spirits about gospel musicians, what do you think they supposed to do, be pigioned holed in the four walls of the church instead of reaching folks in a world that is going to hell.’
You people who are critical of gospel music and the musicians really amaze me at times.
January 20th, 2010 on 10:14 pm
Elijah,
You are right on for me, its like those are my feelings exactly. Come on Kim, seriously like why. This isn’t me judging but seriously what is going on? The compromises and the passiveness of the church is getting too much for me to bare. People of God are getting lost in the shuffle and at what point will the standards rise again? Anything worth something or worth having comes with some level of discipline, effort, sacrifice, etc, and I just feel that we are losing our identity, it makes me very sad.
January 20th, 2010 on 10:35 pm
@Gayle
You hit it on the head. Wow! We are so quick to judge and direct our “personal opinions” at people…not a one of us can see into Kim’s heart…not a one. And even IF Kim is supposedly “wrong”…criticizing and judging is certainly just as wrong. When we will learn to receive people with the true genuine love of Christ. It is not about Kim Burrell…it is about the lost and Lord, if we treat those in the body like this…it is no wonder folks want nothing to do with “the church”.
Love y’all!!
aka vyctoriouswomen
January 21st, 2010 on 12:48 am
I really get annoyed w/ this do not judge stuff. What CAN we question these days? Doesn’t the bible speak of questioning false prophets? I’m by no means calling Kim one BUT I think Christians SHOULD question the intentions of fellow Christians who have a platform. The devil could get hold of one of our own but yet were made to feel bad for having legitimate concerns about our brother/sister in Christ.
And why is it that black gospel artists always feel that going mainstream is the way to reach the unsaved??? It’s like, “in order to reach folk, I gotta be famous and rich”. As if missions work is irrelevant (cause Gospel artists are not really known for charity). Beyonce, Diddy, etc profess to be Christian… What major impact has that done for bringing unbelievers to the body? Let’s be realistic. Nobody looks at them as great examples of being followers of Christ. So why should they view Kim (or any other gospel turned secular artist) any different. And I’m not surprised at the reaction. It was abrupt. She lost weight out the blue and announced a secular record. Who wouldn’t be shocked by that. I hope it’s worth it.
Do CCM artist go through all of this nonesense? Hillsong has an initiative to end poverty… Gospel music community seems to focus on individual advancement. The world is very appealing… And we’ve come up with ways to justify why we should be a part of it when in actuality, we just like the world. It’s hotter than what God has for us. (or so it seems)
January 21st, 2010 on 12:59 am
I was sitting there trying to figure out who she looked like and dawg gone it………it is Ms Jay! lolololol
Anyway,
I am so hurt behind this decision to go secular. I mean how can we as a body of Christ expect people like Fantasia and the rest of them to come to not just gospel, but come to Christ if the members of the body of Christ are going over to the world.
I dont say this because Im old (Im only 24). Im not saying this because Im holier than thou….
This is just not right!
PLEASE KIM I ASK OF YOU, dont confuse the fans that thru ur ministry have come to Christ. Dont confuse the babes in Christ. Please dont do it
January 21st, 2010 on 1:08 am
I don’t believe that this is Kim, It looks like photo shop alter ego type of pic. Kim is sold out for the Lord and has more class than this.
January 21st, 2010 on 8:42 am
*applauding* Do your thang Lady Kim!!! I saw her in person a few weeks ago and she looks great!! Im happy for her! As far as her venturing into the secular arena on her nxt project, I simply trust the God in her that it will be a project of integrity! I would love to hear her do a jazz project…Maybe now we can hear her do a collab with Stevie Wonder!
January 21st, 2010 on 8:55 am
Y’all wore sackcloth and ashes when Michael Jackson died and now you’re acting out Kim Burrell shifting gears. Is it that you only want your gospel gospel and your devil devil?
January 21st, 2010 on 9:06 am
EVERY SINGLE PERSON THAT SAYS “WHO ARE WE TO JUDGE?” AND “WHY ARE WE JUDGING” AND ANY ONE WHO GENERALLY HAS A PROBLEM WITH A FOLLOWER OF CHRIST JUDGING THOSE WHO SAY THAT THEY ARE THE SAME, YOU NEED TO GO READ YOUR BIBLE! STOP HANGING ON EVERY WORD OF THE “PASTOR” AND KNOW THE WORD FOR YOURSELF. YOU WILL BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE ON JUDGEMENT DAY
January 21st, 2010 on 9:52 am
@Elijah,Natural Beauty Me,Elaine,Kwartema,No Compromisin’, and Khinesmusic….I am in total agreement. Jesus says: Judgement STARTS in the house of God. I would like everyone to please go to google and type in G.Craig Lewis ministries and then go to the many EX-Casts and listen to REALLY what is going on in the “body of Christ”. Jesus says, “My people perish for lack of knowledge. Please share this site with everyone in the church.
January 21st, 2010 on 9:53 am
I am not sure what to think. She made a statement while on a Christmas Special on TBN and stated that she never even had any inclination to go the route of secular music…I’m not sure what to think. It is my belief that even if Kim Burrell started singing love songs, that due to the fact that she has already solidified her relationship with God, she will be extremely effective in that you cannot being to fathom true love unless you know God, for God is love. Yet I’m not sure a full departure from Gospel is necessary, and I’m praying that it hasn’t stemmed primarily from the weight loss.
With a theme song on a page that says “…Look at me!” what do you expect has happened to the focus?
January 21st, 2010 on 10:23 am
EJ, I think this can be settled by a nice LONG interview. I hope you’re working on this.
On day two, I’m still torn. I listen to secular music (that does not offend my spirit…not the messy stuff) so I can’t say I wouldn’t listen to her. I think my issue is that I, like many of you have stated, see this as such a shift from previous statements that she’s made about her ministry.
If she could just explain this in a way that doesn’t make her appear like she’s given up on what she said before and is indeed growing/expanding/building on what she professed initially in some way, maybe that will help. I think it’s fair to ask for that.
And I hope her style team gives better advice on attire that compliments her curves for photo shoots. There’s a time and a place for everything…and Date Night Clothes/Styles should be kept for just that (regarding the liquid leggings…I admit I own a pair, lol). There’s a way to be feminine and trendy in photo shoots and not compromise your message.
And lets also remember to be in prayer for her back…gotta hurt, lol. It’s gotta hurt! Surgery will be the only cure for that pain and imbalance.
January 21st, 2010 on 10:40 am
Congratulations to Lady Kim!!!!
I love her so much! She is so awesome. God has invested something in her that can’t be described with words. I will always be a Kim supporter and super fan.
Even if she does a secular album - I’m buying. Secular does not mean, nor does it have to be, derogatory. There are all types of secular categories - jazz, inspirational, r & b, rock, etc. Good music is good music, and as long as the message is positive and uplifting, I’m all for it!
abe
January 21st, 2010 on 10:41 am
@v4c *DEAD* LOL
January 21st, 2010 on 10:46 am
v4c, I think you are absolutely right. I think I’m just torn because I feel this is such a drastic shift, I mean just listen to some of the mini messages and what not on youtube in which she boldly proclaimed God . . . I thought she stood on something more disciplined . . . you know what I mean? But I mean I love her and I want the best for everyone its just that I don’t ever want to hinder the hearts of unbelievers and by us bein so wishy-washy all the time, what do they have to truly believe in?
January 21st, 2010 on 10:49 am
God is not a part of anything secular, period. The bible says, we are in the world not of it (and I’m paraphrasing). We are to look different from the world. Sorry Kim, you can’t serve God and mammon.
January 21st, 2010 on 10:49 am
@Abraham…..Jesus says: Feed my sheep. Does “secular” music do this?
January 21st, 2010 on 10:52 am
@ CW….I agree, but would like to add, Jesu is not part of some of the things going on in the church,either.
January 21st, 2010 on 10:54 am
so i go onto the site and this theme music comes on…reminded me of dreamgirls…
i dunno about this one kim. i mean i love her. she is one of the best vocalists hands down but them fishnets and hair rollers? with the facial expression?!!?!?!?!?!?!?
i just dont know.
January 21st, 2010 on 10:58 am
You all would justify the crap out of a “leaked” Sex Tape from a gospel artist wouldn’t you? In what ever Kim does, i just hope she’s honest about her intentions to her supporters. You want the fans but then cry “its my life” when you do something off the wall and fans question you.
January 21st, 2010 on 11:09 am
@Byron
“Y’all wore sackcloth and ashes when Michael Jackson died and now you’re acting out Kim Burrell shifting gears”.
***LOL***
January 21st, 2010 on 11:14 am
No one can be qualified to feed the sheep and lambs of Christ, who does not love the Christ more than any earthly advantage or object. So who do you love? Changing from gospel to secular, performing with secular artists and the other sends mix signals. Stop being lukewarm and leading others astray in the process. God Bless
January 21st, 2010 on 11:17 am
My second take on the situation is that she remade her image. There is nothing wrong with that. But if you remember Karen has changed and Jackie hasn’t always been her size. Loosing weight is a good thing, no matter the method . All would be okay if she would explain where her heart is now. Was this something that she planned on doing most of her life but was held down by her weight? Why wasn’t this revealed sooner? As for the fish net stocking picture again i’ll say it would trouble me to see my Co-Pastor or Assistant Pastor in fish net stalkings and then have them preach to me I would still be seeing that picture in my head it doesn’t add up. She should have been peeking from behind the door in that picture lol. I’m just questioning her stance.
January 21st, 2010 on 11:20 am
Mike “The Messenger”, you are right about Jesus not being pleased with the church. There is just as much secular going on there to. I just pray that the church wakes up before it’s too late. I am happy to say that I attend a bible believing church.
January 21st, 2010 on 11:20 am
Please check out exministries.com and the founder G. Craig Lewis. Jesus says: My people perish for lack of knowledge. Be informed…please listen to ALL of the excast podcasts.
January 21st, 2010 on 11:27 am
@CW What is happening in the “church” is like when Paul went to all the churches and said “This I have against you”. Beware ,also, of the “Inclusion doctrine” that is now being spread by Carlton Pearson and others and infiltrating churches throughout the country. The inclusion doctrine, as I understand it, is that everyone gets into heaven, no matter what, and Jesus is not the only way in. I have heard Oprah and others say this.
January 21st, 2010 on 11:32 am
About this secular thing…
I personally use the term ’secular’ because it’s what we use to describe anything that isn’t church related. But, what married couple wants to ‘cuddle’ to Holy, Holy, Holy? What’s wrong with songs about social injustice? What’s wrong with songs for good mothers (Sady, A Song for Momma)? What’s wrong with Electric Slide, y’all? I don’t see anything wrong with music that touches on life as we know it…with the name of Jesus in it or not.
I can’t do the messy stuff…stuff that promotes gangs, getting wasted, etc. But just like one bad Pastor doesn’t spoil the message, a million horribly, gross songs shouldn’t spoil the few that really are lyrically sound and morally sound.
So again, that’s not my concern with Kim, as I said in previous posts.
And don’t even go there about G. Craig Lewis. Personally, I question his motives. I don’t want to promote rumors, so that’s ALL I’ll say about him.
January 21st, 2010 on 11:41 am
@ Mike “The Messenger”, I follow Pastor G. Craige Lewis and you are right about the inclusion doctrine. I use to be a big fan of Oprah and many others but once she denied Jesus Christ and when these artists confess one thing and do the opposite, I have to turn away from them. I truly appreciate Pastor Lewis, his messages, videos etc. I will continue to read the word and pray. God Bless you.
January 21st, 2010 on 12:20 pm
@v4c……Why does a married couple need music at all if they are supposed to be concentrating on each other. If you really need music, Jesus created the blessing of sex between a husband and a wife, why not play Holy,Holy,Holy…because it is HOLY. No rumors at EX ministries. Have you listened to all the Excast podcasts. They play what the artists (secular and Christian) and pastors say. Carlton Pearson,T.D. Jakes,Jay-Z, Bishop Eddie Long. Jesus says, Even the very elect will be deceived if they are not watchful. WAKE UP CHURCH!!!
January 21st, 2010 on 12:28 pm
i think we first must realize and understand, the church is the TRUE followers of CHRIST and not these buildings. the true followers of christ abide by the word and they are constantly becoming more like christ. all of this goin secular to reach the lost and mixing with artists who dont even profess christ is only for one thing, and it aint to reach nobody!! people have to get out of this mindset of having respect of persons! james 2:1 warns us of this as well as many other scriptures. it is obvious that most of these “gospel” artists are not spreading any true GOSPEL, better yet no gospel at all! but because they have stardom, and have been elevated people feel as though they are special and they get a pass when they contradict the lifestyle that they are supposed to portray. look at most “gospel” music today, no GOD, no JESUS, no HOLINESS. just he, him, his, i, me ,us . WHO ARE THEY TALKIN TOO!!!! they have compromised to the point where they dont make music to glorify GOD, but they make music to please MAN, a person who serves any god can vibe to their music and apply it to their own god! if you all can be real with yourselves there is no gospel being spread in these songs, nothing about repentence, or accepting christ, or living holy, they come a dime a dozen. but this music thing is so minute compared to the bigger issue at hand, which is institutionalism! so many self proclaimed “christians” believe they are “saved” and they are in right standing and dont even realize the fact that most of these buildings are not ran according to how the assembling of the saints should be as 1 corinthians 14:26-40 tells us it should be. all of the traditions and religous activities that go on in the buildings do NOT line up with the word! i dare you to get into the word and test all things by the spirit as 1 thesalonians 5:21 tells us and see if you are truly attending an assembly that is part of the body of CHRIST. because just because you go to a building, dont mean you are going to heaven
January 21st, 2010 on 12:59 pm
Matthew 15:4-verses 8 and 9: Jesus says, These people honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from Me…they worship me in vain….
January 21st, 2010 on 2:11 pm
Mike, I don’t think I have to explain how ’setting the mood’ can help make a special moment between a married couple even mo’ special. I didn’t say they should listen to ‘12 Play’ or ‘Pregnant’, lol. If you like to listen to hymns while you’re ‘cuddling’, cool. But, to demonize those who enjoy love music or to speculate that their relationship with God is not in tact is not cool.
I’ve seen the DVD’s, read the stuff, etc. I listen to sermons by 1) the preachers at the church God has placed me in and 2) the preachers that minister to me. I haven’t heard a preacher yet who hasn’t said something I disagree with. No preacher is God or perfect. That’s why I pray and seek the word about what they say and apply things as God leads me to. Ex ministries is not a ministry that God uses to speak to me. And that doesn’t mean I’m deceived.
No one hears or receives rumors about people they support, lol. Lord knows I don’t want to. Gotta bring me hard core facts. So, I’m not surprised…
January 21st, 2010 on 2:11 pm
Kim …I was out in the world and I can assure you that being
in the Kingdom is sooooo much better.All the rat race that takes place out there will kill you.
My advice keep on doing it God’s way.I doubt if you will be able to
keep up with the compitition.
God bless.
January 21st, 2010 on 2:20 pm
*torn. Kim Burrell is hands down one of my favorite singers. On the one hand I am excited to see her grow and stretch herself musically. However, I ‘m curious as to what made her change her stance and go in the direction she is moving in. Although the photos are a little risque, I think some are taking them a little too seriously. I wouldnt be surprised if its part of the marketing ploy to build up interest. I’ve noticed that the guy in the picture, Krishnar Lewis, has been lurking around her in interviews as well. I think its still too early to make a judgement either way. So, I’m looking forward to hearing some of the new material, and I really hope she does an interview to clear up any misconceptions we may have.
January 21st, 2010 on 5:37 pm
Well, this might increase the post of comments, but I feel that we have to be honest about music in general. If you are making an album to sell then you are an artist that is trying to promote something you believe or feel strongly about. We use the genres to know how to market the music to the consumers/fans. The bible says “as a man thinketh so is he”. God knows the intentions of our hearts but we have to bring our thoughts into subjection to the word. I like Kim and I hope that her intentions/thoughts are pure. I haven’t talked with her (don’t know her personally to talk to her) to determine any of that so I make my own conclusion based on my knowledge. At the end of the day artist whether gospel/secular are trying to promote music that they believe in or feel that they have something to say and they are using music as the medium.
The genre of Gospel would relate to sharing the good news of salvation through the medium of music. We each have our standards for music. There is certain styles of Gospel that don’t do anything for me (ex. I’m not big on hymns), but it doesn’t negate the power of the song or the music. If an artist decides to go do a secular album..it might be because the style of Gospel music that we have become accustomed to in our “churches” doesn’t fit the format for that artist to express hisself/herself/themselves. So the artist feels in order to express the music that is inside of them they have to choose a different style. You know we have to be honest there are certain artist that “church” (building with four walls) won’t let them come and share because we feel the style of music they use to share the gospel is not appropriate for “church”…hence the need to create sub-categories of gospel (urban, ccm, praise & worship). The labels make it easier for the “church” to decide. I’m not saying that this is Kim’s reason for the secular album but I certainly can understand her wanting to try something different, because the “church” has a tendency to dictate what they feel is gospel versus what is effective. We can talk all day about the differences between the genres (gospel/secular) but at the end of the day it is entertainment. Ministry doesn’t require a cd to be sold, but ministry does require a life committed & obedient to the Lord & His word. So with that being said I don’t know what the Lord has told Kim to do so as far her doing a secular album, I will be checking it out because I like her style and I’m curious.
Now the picture on the website..to be honest I thought it was funny!!! I think she is experimenting and trying some new marketing…and its definitely effective because we are intrigued…so it accomplished its goal.
I will say this and leave it alone…I know I will get blasted but I think we need to explore things to determine what is effective. When they opened the roof to get the lame man to Jesus they were trying to find an effective way to get to Jesus and they used what they thought would work best and it did..he was healed. Once again I don’t know Kim personally these are just my thoughts.
January 21st, 2010 on 6:21 pm
well said, Klugh. *grabs popcorn and waits for all heck to break loose*
i’m still torn. my personal issue (if you can call it that) is not the type of music - if we can listen to both, then why can’t someone sing both? i’m just confused because Kim came out so HARD against the thought of her ever doing any type of music besides gospel. whatever the case, if the music is good, i will be buying…
January 21st, 2010 on 7:26 pm
People like G. Craige Lewis should be avoided. And from the words of the late, great Lloyd Thaxton, “So What.”
So what if Kim is making a secular project. And no wonder the world hates Christians because of their judgmental attitudes. People know what is wrong or right, including gospel artists. And the same things that Kim are being criticized the church was critical of Kirk Franklin and even Andrae Crouch back in the day. I can go much further to Clara Ward when she appeared on “Shindig.”
That reminds me of Amy Grant, the CCM singer who gotten the same kind of flack from the church world, even clowns like Terry Watkins of “Dial The Truth” ministries who are of the same level as Lewis and his ilk. They wanted to tar and feather Amy and even want to sit in judgment because she done a “secular record.” The people who sit in judgement does not have anything better to do and they need to get a life beyond the four walls of the church.
January 21st, 2010 on 10:30 pm
I totally agree with you Gayle.
January 21st, 2010 on 11:52 pm
I’m just trying to figure out….what kind of success does she expect to have? She can’t get a hit record on gospel radio, so does she expect all of a sudden to get #1 hits in secular? Like what’s the purpose behind this sudden change? I’m just curious after she was SO convicted about it for years. I still can’t get over the promotional photos though. I understand she’s trying to re-market herself to appeal to the world but that’s not the way to do it sugah. The world is used to Beyonce, Alicia Keys, Mariah Carey, Keri Hilson, etc….does anyone really want to go into Kim Burrell’s “dressing room” and get a peek of her in fishnets & stilettos? :-/ Ask yourselves.
January 22nd, 2010 on 12:53 am
I see no need to form an opinion on the actions of other Christians. Kim, Tye, Carlton and other’s are God’s responsibility. He will judge them so I don’t have to.
I do pray for them though.
January 22nd, 2010 on 2:10 am
Josh, we don’t cuss on Gospelpundit.com. Please and thanks.
January 22nd, 2010 on 3:53 am
LOL. ya’ll are so funny.you deep church people with no true relationship with God giving your views with no scripture backing.How can you listen to something and then place an artist in a box because of the word secular?Jazz is not bad secular.You ignorant church people secular is just a word.I can’t stand church people because you have discernment .slow to speak and swift to hear.She has a right to write about life, love, and joy.I hope she does well.You are no different than the ones who wanted Jesus killed.You hypocrites, you do not the work but talk about those who do.She’s not sad but you are.what are you doing to further the kingdom?answer that
January 22nd, 2010 on 7:45 am
@All–
Wow. Folks, I’m incredibly sorry that any of you had to deal with the profanity that was posted here several hours ago.
I work like crazy to ensure that this site is allows people to have ongoing dialogues about issues surrounding the music industry. It is always my hope that people will be mature enough to do that without name-calling, profanity and sheer disrespect.
Again, I apologize for any inconvenience it caused. I have removed that comment and I ask that you not respond to it. I will leave the chat open for now, but am also prepared to close comments on this topic if need be.
@Byron– thanks for policing things. lol
January 22nd, 2010 on 9:02 am
If you are to do secular you must then be doing business with sinners on a different level.
The only mesaage the world needs is the cross, so I dont see how doing secular music is of any help to anyone at all.
So we are inspiring people and to what, are we inspiring them to hell?
disciple of Christ, you say she has a right to sing about her life, well wouldnt that constitute Christ most of all? is that not the point of a redeemed soul to point to where I was before Christ and what Christ has done in my life?
The church has been hoodwinked by the devil, yes we have.
Mahalia Jackson was reluctant to do a song with John Coltrane and now we do songs with people like David Banner and people tell you thats its good.
The bible says to abstain from the very appearance of evil (I Thess 5:22) and the secular music industry is about nothing but money, I WOULD CALL THAT EVIL! and the Church has been following right along, trying to get rich and compromising the gospel for the sake of it.
Also she is dressed half naked in one of her pictures, is that right? Talk about discernment, and we cant even face the truths that slap us in the face.
We can keep fooling ourselves watching people turn to the world for money and fame and thinking its God who has oppened the door, God has nothing to do with it.
If the message of the song doesnt lead to Christ, the Gospel or worship then its a waste of time and if you put them components in it is no longer inspirational but Christian music.
Here are some scriptures.
2 Corint 5:22
Do not be bound together with unbelievers; for what partnership have righteousness and lawlessness, or what fellowship has light with darkness?
James 4:4
Don’t you realize that friendship with the world makes you an enemy of God? I say it again: If you want to be a friend of the world, you make yourself an enemy of God.
Is her producer a Christian, is his mind on doing things that will fulfill Gods will?
Did God even say that His people should seek fame in any sort of way?
When you see an influx of gospel artists turning to secular music, is that not pointing to something? Can it be good? The Church is going secular while the secular stay secular. Lets open our eyes, these are signs of the times, the great apostacy is upon us and we are too busy defending carnality. Lets stay focused on Christ, sincce its obvious the end days are upon us.
We need to wake up!
God bless you all!
January 22nd, 2010 on 9:05 am
Huh!? A cussing rant!?
Uncool! (the fact that it happened and the fact that I missed it…LOL)
January 22nd, 2010 on 9:50 am
RIGHT ON PAUL N
January 22nd, 2010 on 10:31 am
@EJ…things slip in, you fixed it,all good…thanks for opening up this discussion. @ Paul N and No Compromisin…in total agreement. The Word Of Jesus cuts like a two-edged sword. The Word Of Jesus NEVER returns void. The devil comes to kill, steal, and destroy. WAKE UP CHURCH!!!
January 22nd, 2010 on 10:44 am
Some are called to go into different arenas to reach people.You many not like to hear that but it is true. Please stop putting every gospel artist in the same category. So what if a gospel artist sings with David Banner, you don’t know what God is doing behind the scenes. And we don’t know how the music or the message impacts the listener in a positive way. Most of yall buy, listen and burn secular music any way.
January 22nd, 2010 on 10:52 am
@mike “the messenger” amen bro, amen. the body of CHRIST, the TRUE church is waking up day by day. people are coming out of deception and into correction, all it takes is to get back to the simplicity-which is the WORD. it grieves me when i see so many people who are building dwellers for 5, 10, 15, 20+ years and they dont realize that they are still babes in CHRIST (hebrews 5:12). lets get back to the word folks. submit yourselves to CHRIST and not the preacher man for there is only one mediator between man and GOD(1TIM 2:5, GAL 3:20) and allow the HOLY SPIRIT to teach and guide you(1 john 2:27, john 14:16,17,26, 1 corinthians 2:12, 1 thess 4:9. realize this god does NOT dwell in these buildings(acts 7:48, 17:24, jeremiah 7:4) and that preachers are meant to bring in the unbelievers (romans 10:14) we are called to be disciples of CHRIST not man and to make more disciples of CHRIST (john 15:8) do not allow yoursleves to continue to have a zeal for GOD but NOT according to knowledge (romans 1:1-3) and do not allow yourselves to be turned over to a reprobate mind, because you better believe that there are “chuuch” folk who are reprobate (2 thess 2:10-12). when you know the truth of the gospel but follow after lies and deny the truth, GOD will send a deluding influence on you so you will only believe that which is false! as mike the messenger stated but ill change it just a lil bit WAKE UP PEOPLE AND BECOME PART OF THE CHURCH! THE BODY OF CHRIST.
January 22nd, 2010 on 10:56 am
@CC….We are in this world NOT of this world. Did Jesus do what everybody else did? NO. Yes, we are all called into different areas, but we do not do what non-believers and followers of Jesus do. When Jesus turned the water into wine, did he “party down” and get drunk with the others. NO. I do not know who David Banner is, but if he is not a believer and follower of Jesus, then she should witness to him, not sing with him. I do not illegally download any music, and I do not listen to or own any music that does not glorify Jesus. I give all glory to Jesus for opening up my eyes and ears.
January 22nd, 2010 on 11:00 am
@ NO COMPROMISIN’……YES, and AMEN. No problem with you changing what I said…much better:)
January 22nd, 2010 on 11:07 am
@Mike “The Messenger” I hear you but I think you should take a listen to MaryMary feat. David Banner “Superfriend”.
January 22nd, 2010 on 11:43 am
Mike “The Messenger” and NO COMPROMISIN, keep speaking truth, it would no be liked you will not be loved by all but that was the same with Christ. His grace is sufficient
Revelation 10:9-11 (King James Version)
9And I went unto the angel, and said unto him, Give me the little book. And he said unto me, Take it, and eat it up; and it shall make thy belly bitter, but it shall be in thy mouth sweet as honey.
10And I took the little book out of the angel’s hand, and ate it up; and it was in my mouth sweet as honey: and as soon as I had eaten it, my belly was bitter.
11And he said unto me, Thou must prophesy again before many peoples, and nations, and tongues, and kings
For those of us who believe the word is sweet but its bitter when you have to bring it up as most people will reject sound teaching.
God bless you both!
CC,
David Banner says in his song, the women/sex and the drugs in his life dont mean anything to him, talking about people are judging him because he uses bad language!? He even claims(not in this song) that he is like Christ today because he is being persecuted! really, Christ was persecuted for righteousness sake, righteous in everyway.
This song can NEVER glorify God, its straight from the pit of hell.
Now what we have is someone admitting to living a sinful life however never speaks of repentance. If you claim to be a Christian but are living a sinful life, YOU ARE TO BE JUDGED BY THE SAINTS!
1 Corinthians 5:12
12 It isn’t my responsibility to judge outsiders, but it certainly is your responsibility to judge those inside the church who are sinning.
The scriptures also tell us not even to eat with a person who call themselves a brother but is living sinful.
1 Corinthians 5:11 (New Living Translation)
11 I meant that you are not to associate with anyone who claims to be a believer[a] yet indulges in sexual sin, or is greedy, or worships idols, or is abusive, or is a drunkard, or cheats people. Don’t even eat with such people.
Please line this up with Superfriend and tell me how this song could even remotely be good.
Church, we need to stop playing around (myself included), we gotta stop with this watered down gospel, talking foolishness about we are trying to reach the world. Well what I see is the church becoming more carnal and the world getting worse.
God bless you!!
January 22nd, 2010 on 11:49 am
AMEN mike and paul!! AMEN indeed!
January 22nd, 2010 on 12:56 pm
Are we talking bout the same song here??
January 22nd, 2010 on 7:18 pm
@ CC… thanks for the info on the song. David Banner must be following Carlton Pearson and the “inclusion doctrine”…everybody gets into Heaven. Jesus said, You will be persecuted because I was persecuted first. @No Compromisin’,Paul, and CC….Jesus will say to you,”Well done, good and faithful servants, enter into your reward!!”.
January 22nd, 2010 on 8:38 pm
Mike and No Compomising and others who are “holier than thou folk–are we as Christians should be with other Christians and be relegated to the “Christian ghetto”, that is the church only and be with “Christians only?” I don’t think so. You all are acting like Christians and gospel artists should be in the four walls in the church only. No wonder Christian artists leave the church because of constant judging from you folk.
And I don’t think Bishop Blake would mind a bit because his church has celebrities (Stevie Wonder, Denzel Washington, Magic Johnson, etc..) there.
January 22nd, 2010 on 9:01 pm
@ Gayle…..Jesus is doing the judging with His Word, not us. We are just sharing what Jesus says.
January 22nd, 2010 on 9:03 pm
@ Gayle…..Forgot to mention that Jesus never stayed in the four walls. BUT, Jesus says, Be in the world NOT OF THE WORLD.
January 22nd, 2010 on 9:41 pm
Just got off of facebook. Benjamin Singleton sat in on an interview with Kim Burrell two months ago and when she was asked what artist she would like to work with next, she said, without hesitation,Prince. The last I heard he was part of the Jehovah Witnesses….hmmmmm.
January 22nd, 2010 on 9:45 pm
Mike, maybe if she performed w/Prince, God might send her to share the gospel with him. You never know what would happen….
January 22nd, 2010 on 10:27 pm
Very interesting comments! Such diversity in thought and opinion. For marketing and PR purposes…that was a genius move! lol
Love y’all!
January 22nd, 2010 on 10:54 pm
@CC
Very well put…..we need to quit watering down the gospel….and present it as it is
January 23rd, 2010 on 6:18 am
@ Gayle 2Timothy starting at verse 1; But mark this: There will be terrible times in the last days. People will be lovers of themselves,lovers of money,boastful,proud,abusive,disobedient to their parents,ungrateful,unholy,without love,unforgiving,slanderous,without self control,brutal,not lovers of the good,trecherous,rash,conceited,lovers of pleaseure rather than lovers of God….having a form of godliness but denying its power…HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH THEM.
January 23rd, 2010 on 6:46 am
well, a lot of you have expressed my sentiment regarding this whole thing. but in a little bit of research, i found this article to capsulize the new revealing of Ms. Burrell: http://www.allaboutjazz.com/php/news.php?id=48237
it talks about how she is going to be doing an “inspirational” album to broaden her audience, the entourage, her singing at the BET Honors (airing Feb. 1st), etc., etc.
i want to see where this is going to lead her since she was the very one who did say that she wouldn’t sing anything but gospel…
January 23rd, 2010 on 10:05 am
I am happy that Kim lost the weight, but not happy with the others news. Do not tell me that Kim will be doing a secular cd? You have got be kidding me, Kim needs to go back to her roots. The bible says that we cannot serve two masters{St Matthew 6:24}. What is the gospel area coming too? What fellowship with light & darkness or unrighteous with unrighteous? I will be very disappointed, if Kim goes down that route. She needs to stick with the good news of Jesus Christ, God says you are either hot or cold, lukewarm I would spit you out my mouth! Make up your mind Kim, stand for Christ! She is not the only one I am disappointed with, it seems like most gospel artists are going secular,Jesus calls us to be servants not entertainers!
January 23rd, 2010 on 11:30 am
Maybe God had Kim to go out to that “world” some of you “Conservative” Christians do not want to go in, but stuck in the church. Maybe she needed to branch out of her “core” audience” and maybe her CD might get people into the church.
You never know..
January 23rd, 2010 on 12:24 pm
The way to lead people to Christ is to give them the love, knowledge, and the truth of Him. How is that going to be accomplished with SECULAR music? Who has ever went to church because of what Beyonce, Rihanna, Alicia Keys, Taylor Swift, etc sang in their songs. Secular is not intended to spread the gospel of Jesus Christ, that’s why the music is titled as such. This is totally different idea than Kim only recording a jazz-styled gospel cd.
January 23rd, 2010 on 12:47 pm
@Michael Jenkins….yes, and Amen. I stated earlier…please check out G. Craige Lewis ministries…www.exministries.com. @ Gayle….what is a conservative Christian? Jesus says, You are for Me or against Me.
January 23rd, 2010 on 12:48 pm
@Keisha…Yes and Amen.
January 23rd, 2010 on 1:41 pm
Hey Mike, I know scripture very well, thank you. I don’t want to turn out to be a debate here. @ Keisha, there is some secular songs that might lead people to Christ or lead them to the church. You never know what the power of music can do. I seen instances songs like “Jesus Take The Wheel” or “Lean on Me” lead people into the church and some instances Jesus Christ.
January 23rd, 2010 on 1:46 pm
Hey, have you ever occurred to all of you instead of criticizing Kim, to pray for her? I would instead of wasting time talking about it.
January 23rd, 2010 on 3:45 pm
@Gayle
I agree with you. Pray for her instead of criticizing her.
January 23rd, 2010 on 5:11 pm
i luv me some kim burrell and im happy u lost the weight in all but theres something wrong about this now…..u been gospel all your life and now u want to change i think thats wrong and your COGIC so to me that makes u look bad imagine how cogic ppl feel i mean im cogic and right now to me your making us look bad by changing over to secular music and im not to happy about it but i wonder how bishop blake feels hmmm i hope not happy about this decision u made but a thats on u i wish u the best but i hope u come to ur senses and realize who woke u up this morning who let u live again it surly wasing the devil it was GOD and u know it well i hope u do and if so why would u change over to secular music thats crazy to me i just think just because u look different dosent mean u have to go out in be like the world and sing secular music thats just wrong to me and im just surprise about it becuz i never in my whole 15 years of life thought Kim Burrell the best singing in COGIC would change over to secular music u was the least person that i thought about doing tht and to me thats just sad and i dnt like it but im gone keep u and my prayers kim burrell and i wish u all the best
January 23rd, 2010 on 7:41 pm
@ Gayle. No debate. The Word Of Jesus always stands.
January 23rd, 2010 on 7:45 pm
Jesus Take the Wheel is not a secular song….it has been done by secular artists.
January 23rd, 2010 on 8:34 pm
Its funny how when you speak and see things according to scripture you are deemed as “holier than thou”. Thats carnal thinking and not supported by scripture.
I know no man that is perfect in and of himself but as Christians we must endevour to govern our lives based on the word and if something doesnt linex
Doing secular music is a sorry excuse for trying to reach unbelievers for Christ. What is this some covert attempt at reaching people? So you go in undercover and them BAM shoot them with the gospel?
First and foremost this is about business, fame, money not the gospel. She will be under contract and will then have to do what she is told. If she is going to INSPIRE people (unbelievers) do you think she can then tell them, YOU GOING TO HELL if you dont accept Christ? not very inspirational is it.
Gayle, I think you mean well but I dont see any scripture that will back up what you are saying. God is not calling us to compromise to win anyone to Christ. Prince knows the gospel, all he has to do is repent.
A little leaven leavens the whole lump!
January 23rd, 2010 on 8:43 pm
Yes pray, however this is a blog were people discuss these things. You all deem it as criticism, however thats not true, the word of God is judging the situation and all you have is people talking truth according to scripture and not emotions.
It amazes me that Christians have a problem with people who go to the word. Where should we go to then if not the word? should we say “I believe”, “I feel”, “Maybe God”? is this the language we should use when we have the word of God that will direct us in the proper way?
If someone is in error publicly, it must be known that the body of Christ is not down with it.
January 23rd, 2010 on 9:10 pm
Paul N…Yes, and Amen!!
January 23rd, 2010 on 11:55 pm
And Paul, you and No Compomising and Mike which you are are so “Perfect Christians” and never sinned in your life constantly criticizing those who are trying to venture into different waters. No wonder people are out of the church because of your misuse of scripture and critical spirits which you all have.
I’ll pray for all of you….
January 24th, 2010 on 12:33 am
i totally agree with everything ur saying keisha u telln her the right things she need to hear
January 24th, 2010 on 9:06 am
Gayle, no one is behaving like they have never sinned, you are saying that because we disagree with the unbiblcal stance that you are taking.
I have my struggles but I dont my want brothers or sisters in Christ to pacify me when I am wrong, or make excuses for me, I want the truth according to the word, not their OPINION, which is what you are doing.
Another thing is I dont know why we think these people have never heard the gospel and that they need someone famous to share it with them, give me a break. If you will only receive the gospel based on the messenger, thats idolatry.
“The Gospel is the power unto salvation for those who believe”. If a 5 year old child shares the gospel God will use it.
Ok, if we are misusing the scriptures, you set us straight. What scriptures are we misusing, how should they be used and what scriptural basis do you have for an artist going secular?
She is going to inspire people, what other inspirational message is their for a sinner? doesnt the world have enough inspirational people? Is it about money or souls?
It sounds to me that you listen to worldly music, so you are offended.
Jesus said to watch and pray!!! when you see people doing this you should be concerned, why would we be turning to the world in this evil hour?
We are hurt, do you think we are rejoicing in this, it is hurtful to see those who God has called to lead praise, turn to the world.
There will come a time, when there will no longer be a difference between the church and the world and people who think like you are part of the problem. Christians will no longer know what a separated life is because people who claim to be Christians will be and are singing and producing R&B, Hip Hop, Pop and all sort of other music. Where is the separation and what does being separated mean?
Another thing is what about her half naked picture? She had an interview and NEVER mentioned Christ.
We are in the last days and we are still focused on simple things, carnal things of this world.
WAKE UP SAINTS!
January 24th, 2010 on 12:30 pm
I dont think I saw Jesus’ name once on her new site
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January 24th, 2010 on 2:22 pm
This is both sad and alarming!!! The gospel industry is slowly compromising more and more. I like Mary Mary’s “God in Me,” like the next person; however the lyrics can be misleading. Are we only representing Christ when we wear a certain wardrobe and have a certain amount of money??? And “Super Friend” with David Banner’s rap was all kinds of unbiblical! Am I hating? No, I am being real and we have to be accountable and live according to the word of God. I love gospel music, but I am only willing to follow artists who are following Christ! That doesn’t mean they have to be perfect; it means they are committed to perfecting their witness for Christ.
Be careful who you follow and support and be careful to not be deceived. I appreciate Kim as an artist, but I just can’t bear witness to where she is and where she’s headed.
January 24th, 2010 on 3:49 pm
Paul, so what if I’m listening to secular artists, which by the way there are some who are Christians (Smokey Robinson, Natalie Cole, Stephanie Mills, etc…). Secondly, I was at my local church and the guest speaker was saying that the reason why non-believers do not go to church is because Christians all to often offend by their actions and that is why they never reach the church steps. Let me say one further and that is Christians do it to each other when they go into the secular world, and this includes the music industry, which is a mission field in itself.
Secondly, if we all pray for Kim for God to cover her and shield her from temptation, she’ll be ok. She knows and I’m sure she knows right from wrong and she does not need these Christians to condemn her or scrutinize every move she make, as other Christian/gospel musician who is out there in the secular world too. You know, constant scurtization from Christians also drive them from the church as well. I know of a CCM artist who left the industry and went secular because Christians wanted to judge every move that she made, because those Christians say these things and think “They have it all together”, but when they say things like that, they need to think about their lives and what they are doing before they say something about others.
I know too well about this Mary Mary controversy w/David Banner–have it ever occurred to everyone that God may have sent them to share the gospel with him?
Paul, I’m not arguing with you, but I pray for you my brother and I post these things in love. We have to agree to disagree.
January 24th, 2010 on 6:18 pm
@ Gayle. Non-believers do not go to church because they want to their “own thing”, not anything to please Jesus. They don’t want their toes “stepped on” or their spirits agitated by the Word of Jesus. I know this because I used to be one of them.
January 24th, 2010 on 6:19 pm
@ Gayle….You do not have to pray for Paul….The Holy Spirit already guides him.
January 24th, 2010 on 6:20 pm
Jesus should be the only star, and if you are a gospel singer he should shine through you. The only person who should get the glory is Jesus. He is the gift giver and he can take it back.I hope all these artists remember it. These labels can drop you at the drop of a dime especially if God allows them to.
January 24th, 2010 on 6:24 pm
@Deon……Well said.
January 24th, 2010 on 9:14 pm
whoa…lol… I’m not here to debate & I am not checkin this box to be notified of new posts lol. Just wanted to point out that you do not have to go into secular music (ex: Marvin Sapp “Never Would’ve Made It, Mary Mary “Shackles”, J. Moss “We Must Praise”, Kirk Franklin :Why We Sing”, Fred Hammond “Pages of Life CD, James Fortune “I’ll Trust You”, KiKi Sheard “You Don’t Know”) just to name a few.. These artist didn’t have to do secular albums to reach millions of people so I don’t think that’s a pertinent argument. Not that I’m condemning anyone. Also, Karen Clark-Sheard has never released a secular album and has ministered to many secular artists. Also, not that I’m saying whether Kim Burrell is right or wrong in her decisions but I think the real concern is not the fact that Kim Burrell is doing a secular album, but rather that she said she’d never do anything other than Gospel on several interviews including her 1st TBN interview since her major weight-loss. I listen to many genres of music so I will support good music from Kim Burrell whether or not it’s gospel, as long as it’s clean, the music is good, & her vocals are as they always are… amazing. I just think we have to watch what we say and I hope Kim comes out in an interview and explains exactly what’s going on so we won’t have to speculate or give our opinions on what’s going on. I think that it’s important for artists to stay connected with the people, the fans that keep them working by buying their cds, concert tix, etc.
I pray that when she does come forth that she comes with a humble and understanding spirit and takes into considerations the concerns of her fans. I have seen alot of other gospel artists coming forth defending her and others in the gospel industry who have slipped up but they have done it in such an arrogant way that God is in no way gonna get any glory out of it. We as not only Gospel artists but christians must remember our purpose is to live a life that would cause others to want to be saved. We must think before we act and consider the consequences that come with being famous and in the public view at all times. I see gospel artists mess up & then if people voice their opinions or concerns, they post messages saying “Get Over It” or “Hi Haters”. Remember you made the mistake and you accepted the consequences of public scrutiny(sp?) when you chose to accept a position that would cause you to be a celebrity. We as christians must also stop hiding behind the “Who are we to judge”? statment. No we can’t condemn people but we have every right to state our disagreements and concerns as long as we do it in a tasteful manner.
Thank You for your time & God Bless.
also, EJ, Please work on getting us an interview preferably audio or video with Ms. Kim Burrell. I’d pay to hear or see that…lol)
Much Love 2 U All
<3
January 24th, 2010 on 9:30 pm
@khinesmusic amen!amen!
January 24th, 2010 on 11:16 pm
@khinesmusic
“…I am not checkin this box to be notified of new posts lol.” - like i did. big mistake on my part…lol
January 25th, 2010 on 1:21 am
What in the woooorrrrlllddddd???!!! Someone has some explaining to do. She must have accidently signed some binding document similar to what EJ described in his post on Sunday Best..urrrr I mean Sunday Worst. My heart is broken. I like when gospel artist sing gospel music. The slide, switch, and flip is always so loud cause you can’t ride two horses with one tail. Somebody just popped my balloon:(
January 25th, 2010 on 8:28 am
Gayle, I post in love also, the problem I have is that you say dont judge and all you have done is slam us. All we are doing is making righteous judgement, does that make us perfect, NO (though in Christ we are) howeever it is the duty of all believers to call it like it us, in love.
I do not condemn Kim Burrell, but obviously something has gone off or she would not have made this decision. She would not have taken a picture in stockings, she would not all of a sudden start to wear TIGHT clothing, revealing clothing.
When you take money from the devil, you are bound by the devil. She cannot go preaching the gospel, all she can do is inpsire or it will be her lot. Do you think you can say homosexuality is a sin?
Please read this as an example of what inspiration does. This is a comment from a homosexual that left a church after the Pastor said something about homosexuality.
“Since going there for the past year, I never heard anything out of the way like that,” Garrett said. “So a lot of it was INSPIRATIONAL up until that point. And it kind of took me aback. … And then due to the fact that Jon and I are together and we’re going to see about getting married in D.C., it really was like, ‘Why am I supporting this person? How come I couldn’t see this beforehand?’”
Christians doing Inspirational music is a trick of the devil, it tells people you are kool or you can be, just do right, get educated, have self esteem, pick your head up and you are ok but scripture says no matter how “good” or “educated” you are, you will go to HELL aside from Christ.
God bless you my Sister in Christ.
Bro Mike, i still need prayer, ha ha ha!!
Thanks Bro, please pray for me to keep drawing closer to My God. Thise world offers nothing but for some reason many in the Church are going after the things that rust!?
Oh, the video is on exministries.wordpress.com
January 25th, 2010 on 8:31 am
Gayle you are right that believers turn off unbelievers, it happened to me too. However we are believers discussing a believer.
Also what is happening is that sinners who come to Church dont know right from wrong, they dont know what we do in the Church and what we dont do because the lines have been blurred.
Beyonce, Usher say they are Christians, think about it!
January 25th, 2010 on 8:36 am
Mike you are also right, the main reason that unbelievers dont come to Church is because of sin.
John 3:18-20
18He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
19And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
20For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.
When its all said and done, if someone hears the message of Christ and rejects it, they have no excuse.
January 25th, 2010 on 9:26 am
ROMANS: 8 starting at verse 5….Tose who live according to the sinful nature have their minds set on what that nature desires; but those who live in accordance with the Spirit have their minds set on what the Spirit desires. The mind of sinful man is DEATH,but the mind controlled by the Spirit is LIFE and PEACE; the sinful mind is HOSTILE to God. It does NOT SUBMIT to God’s law, nor can it do so. Those controlled by the sinful nature CANNOT PLEASE God.You, however, are controlled not by the sinful nature but by the Spirit, if the Spirit of God lives in you. AND IF ANYONE DOES NOT HAVE THE SPIRIT OF CHRIST, HE DOES NOT BELONG TO CHRIST.
January 25th, 2010 on 9:36 am
@ Paul…yes, we all need prayer…I stand corrected. But, that does not take away the FACT that the Holy Spirit gives you wisdom and discernment..Praise the Holy name of Jesus. @ Gayle….No one is righteous, no not one……there are no perfect Christians……but as true believers and followers of Jesus the Christ we are to judge each other so as to become more like Jesus.Judgement STARTS in the house of God. Not a critical spirit at all…once again, using the Word Of Jesus that cuts like a two edged sword.
January 25th, 2010 on 1:23 pm
Hey, i am very sadden about Kim’s decision on going with the secular world. I feel she was chosen by God to spread the gospel of Jesus Christ. And all i can think about is how she minister and gave the word of God. I really looked up to her as a gospel artist, i never thought that she would change. That’s just like turning your back on God. God is the one that gave her the voice to minister in a powerful way. But i am very hurt, because i thought that Kim Burrell will be one of the ones that will change the world and have the people to come back to Christ. But i will always pray for her. But i don’t agree with the decision she has made.
January 25th, 2010 on 2:23 pm
** As I pick myself up off the floor from laughter at some of what I’ve read**
Lawd…so much bandwidth wasted on some of these comments. I trust that the disappointment some of you have with Kim is also the same disappointment you had for many other artists in the “Gospel” community. Kim ain’t the first nor will she be the last artists who has done something people deem controversial. There is a big picture issue at hand, but it’s much easier for people to target certain individuals…Every now and again, one needs to step back and get the whole view and stop acting like they are the foremost authority on stuff.
Oh and this was one of the best comments posted:
“People like G. Craige Lewis should be avoided” ~~ Gayle
January 25th, 2010 on 3:51 pm
Relationship Over Religion, per your question about being disappointed at Kim’s speculated switch: in a word, YES. I am disappointed to hear this. And here’s why: she was one of the FINAL two so-called gospel artists that I hoped would remain AUTHENTIC to the Christian faith through their music (Israel Houghton is the other one). I now recognize to avoid putting any credibility into the spiritual relationship of a gospel artist, meaning I REFUSE to be the salvation POLICE over these artists. But AT LEAST the music they make I hopefully can discern a HOLY SOUND from an UNHOLY SOUND. And don’t get it twisted. I like a good beat (I grew up COGIC). The Psalms talk about praising the Lord with all kinds of instruments. BUT, for real, it’s out of control now. These gospel artists are pushing the boundaries for the sake of the MONEY, not the gospel. And that line about “I’m reaching the lost” mess is a COP-OUT. Just make great music in the Name of the Lord Jesus Christ and the people will come. The Bible says in John 12:32 “And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me.”
January 25th, 2010 on 3:57 pm
Part 2: I just got it (thank You, Holy Spirit!): These so-called gospel artists (and everybody else) need to decide who they really are: if you are a gospel entertainer FOR HIRE, then call yourself that and the Bible supports a workman being worthy of their hire (Luke 10:7: And in the same house remain, eating and drinking such things as they give: for the labourer is worthy of his hire. Go not from house to house.”) BUT, if you call yourself a MINISTER OF THE GOSPEL, be it a singer, preacher, whatever, then obey the word concerning MINISTRY: take NOTHING with you, preach, and if they don’t receive you, shake the dust off your feet and keep steppin’. (Mark 6, Luke 9).
January 25th, 2010 on 3:59 pm
Part 3: there’s the GREATER REWARD in ministering for the Lord Jesus Christ than simply being hired to sing about Him (not even to Him). Because does somebody have to pay you to sing to the Lord?
January 25th, 2010 on 4:24 pm
hello Kim I really enjoy you every time you sing I waited faithfully 9 years for you next album to come out and as for your secular I know it will be good because God has anointed you I dont really care about what they say because I know you inspire a lot of secular artist anyway. I know you are a light in darkness I can say, SO I really dont care what they say keep doing what god wants you to do. I know people is saying you done went Hollywood on us I know you will still live saved even in Hollywood. God has smiled on you and as for your weight loss you still look good I really dont care what the world says and I will be looking at your reality series because I know that It is for Gods glory. I know you aint the first person that has been misunderstood. luv ya.
January 25th, 2010 on 5:09 pm
@ Relationship Over Religion….why don’t you go to http://www.exministries.com and e-mail the comment you and Gayle posted on here. Why do you say to avoid G. Craige Lewis?
January 25th, 2010 on 6:05 pm
@ Tam Tam…
I do not recall posing a question in my initial response, so I am unsure of what “question” you were referring to in your reply to me. I was merely making the statement/point that Kim is not the only “artists” with whom people should feel disappointed…if people are using the same logic across the board that is.
@ Mike…
I have been to Lewis’ site, seen his Youtube videos as well as his Truth Behind Hip Hop series. My co-sign on Gayle’s comment was done so out of my personal preference. We are all adults here and can have difference of opinions, right? Hmmmmm….I am not fond of his approach nor his lack of balance in “my” interpretation of what he says. I also question some of his motives from a historical context. So, no…I don’t need to go over to exministries…been there, done that. But ummm, thanks for the suggestion :-/
January 25th, 2010 on 7:27 pm
@ Relationship over Religion…..By your agreeing with Gayle I figured that you had been to the site. My point is for you to go to the site and e-mail Mr. Lewis your opinions . If you have a disagreement with a brother in Christ go to him and let it be known.
January 25th, 2010 on 8:43 pm
Mike, I don’t need to go to Lewis’ site because I went there before. He sound like the black Terry Watkins and both are at the level of Rev. Fred Phelps.
Maybe Kim’s weight loss will compel all women to get off their behinds to lose fat. Even the church folk, because the reason why is because she was trying to empower all women, even Christian women and deal with their self-esteem. That’s a good thing and Christian women need to be empowered, especially with weight issues.
January 25th, 2010 on 10:30 pm
@Gayle. I do not know Terry Watkins or Rev. Fred Phelps. I did only ask Relationship over religion to e-mail his disagreement to G. Craige Lewis, but since he agreed with you, I will also ask you to please e-mail G. Craige Lewis with your disagreements, as you have done in this discussion. I agree with you that Miss Burrell’s weight loss is a real blessing. Jesus says that the bodies He has given us are His temples, and we need to take care of them.
January 26th, 2010 on 1:43 am
Hey Tam Tam i agree with you on some things you pointed out about the gospel artists. It is all about money now, what happened with reaching the souls. I guess they forgot about that.
January 26th, 2010 on 5:30 am
** Heavy Sigh**
@ Mike…Once again, I have no desire to go to Lewis’ site and share my dislike for him. Why and for what? Dude, it’s called life…people will not like you, people will not like what you say, but most people (and Christians for that matter), don’t make a point to run around telling those individuals why they don’t care for them. I have seen enough of the exchanges between Lewis and those who disagree with him to know that I can find better things to do with my time and energy. Trust me, Lewis is really not all that concerned with who does and does not like him as evidenced by his actions, blog posts, etc.
January 26th, 2010 on 8:26 am
“People like G. Craige Lewis should be avoided” ~~ Gayle
So a man that teaches truth and doesnt want the lines blurred should be avoided?
January 26th, 2010 on 9:19 am
Relationship Over Religion, here’s a high five, Mmmhmm, and a AMEN regarding your G. Craig Lewis comments. I’m in complete agreement with what you said.
I’ve learned a long time ago not to argue with people who are just as closed-minded as they don’t want you to be, lol. They want you to accept rebuke but won’t take any, lol. It’s pointless!
January 26th, 2010 on 9:21 am
@ Gayle and Relationship Over Religion…. Whether a person likes or dislikes his manner, his agitating qualities, and his boldness, G. Craige Lewis is exposing what needs to be exposed. The “Church” ,as a whole, has become complacent, an “anything” goes mentality. Do the same “dances” that they do in the world, so long as it has “the stamp of righteous approval”, listen to the same music, go to the same movies, and watch the same tv shows. Or, you can go to the clubs on the weekend, but be in church on Sunday and everything will be o-kay. CARNALITY!!! Psalm 149: Let them praise HIS name with dancing and make music to HIM with tambourine and harp. The “church”, in general, are praising the Gospel music artists and speakers, not Jesus. When Jesus started teaching harder, many said “these teachings are too hard” and walked away from Him. That is what is happening today.
January 26th, 2010 on 9:26 am
@v4c….How do you know that G. Craige Lewis would not take a rebuke. Have you ever e-mailed him or talked to him in person?
January 26th, 2010 on 9:27 am
@Mike the Messenger and Paul N, God bless you for standing firm in His word.
We are in a sad state today as Christians because of the cross over of music. I BELIEVE this was originally started by Kirk Franklin. At first I thought like most people, this will draw the young people but as I started to read my bible more, I realized the approach was all wrong according to the scripture and now people are all confused. They feel I can sing with Bone Thugs, Beyonce, R Kelly etc and still sing for the Lord. No you cannot, God does not get the glory. Wake up Saints. The Word of God is true. I have to deny myself in order for God to get what He so rightly deserves. I cannot do as Jay Z says, “Do As Thou Wilt” or the new Shakira song (emphasis on world) and I quote ”
Anything you want you can make it yours
Anything you want in the world
Anything you want in the world
Give it up to me”
This world is not our home. It is temporary and quickly passing away as we now know it.
I can’t even listen to the radio anymore. I listen to Christian talk radio stations. I’m sure someone will comment on my knowledge of Shakira so before you do, I work out in a gym and that is where I hear the music.
The church is in big trouble. I am praying for our government, the artists, everyone and I hope that the Christians who are standing for God will be enough to hold back His wrath on this country. I am new in my Christian walk. I can not quote a lot of scriptures but I do know that the Holy Spirit lives in those who truly believe and whenever I started to think about doing something that was not of God, I heard the alarm loud and clear. I may not have always chosen the right path because I am not perfect but it most definitely spoke to me just like I am sure it is speaking to the artists who know God but have chosen to cross over and make secular albums, sing with secular artists or Christian music that sounds like the world. However, the devil is busy deceiving but God still reigns and he can still deliver so as long as they have breath (including myself when I fall), it is not too late to repent and walk away from the applause and money.
Matt 19:24 And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.
Thank you God for your son Jesus, grace and mercy.
January 26th, 2010 on 9:36 am
My Brother mike, I agree with you. Do you live in Houston by any chance?
Relationship over religion, You mention the big picture, are you saying in this big picture people should go after fame and fortune? Can you show me which verse of the bible that comes from, please.
As the world gets more wicked, isnt it time to stay fixed on Christ?
Gayle, please stop with the “maybe God sent them to minister to sinners”, In doing so confuse the rest of the saints? If Mary Mary do a song with David Banner, will you then tell people not to listen to David Banner?
I just wish we would stop lying to ourselves about people trying to minister. ITS BUSINESS!!! MONEY, DOLLARS, DINERO!!! NOT MINISTRY!
How can you minister to people and then leave out the reason for your life out of your music? How can you people sit here and says its good for someone to inspire people and leave Jesus Christ out of it? Are you serious, gayle and relationship over religion? She will sing songs and not mention Christ?
Whats the most important message that sinners need? Its not to lose weight, be educated or have self esteem, its Christ. I am not saying to encourage isnt good but if they dont lead to Christ it is for nothing. People will go to hell, encouraged, slim, full of self esteem and educated!
Gayle, self esteem cannot be a product of your outward appearance, that would be pride. Yes you can be proud of yourself for losing weight but what God wants us to have is confidence in Him and not acheivement or looks or any other external reason.
When the bible says be not unequally yoked together with unbelievers what does it mean?
We dont get it, the reason why sinners want to do business with the gospel artists is because they DONT preach the gospel. If they claimed Jesus was the only way and that without Christ you will go to hell the world wouldnt have time for them. however if you water it down, here comes the world loving your music and we think thats good.
Listen to most gospel CD’s you hardly hear the name Jesus anymore. Him, God, You but not Jesus Christ!
If the world loves y0u, you better check yourself!
John 15:19
19 The world would love you as one of its own if you belonged to it, but you are no longer part of the world. I chose you to come out of the world, so it hates you.
Quote from Kim Burrell, “Its takes a person like Krishnar Lewis to enter your life and really give it meaning”
We need to wake up and smell the compromise.
I do agree we should pray for her, however Jesus said to WATCH and pray.
January 26th, 2010 on 9:40 am
May The LORD continue to strengthen you CW!!!
January 26th, 2010 on 9:43 am
Aaaaaand soooooo I’m about to close comments on this post cuz some of y’all are just talking to be talking and to have your spiritual egos stroked.
Here’s the deal– everyone feels the way that they feel about this. And everyone feels that Scripture supports their beliefs, based on their interpretations of that Scripture.
RARELY will we persuade one another to change courses and believe what we believe. Instead of laboring each day to post the PERFECT comment that will finally hit the nail on the head, just pray for those that you feel are led astray– that’s for both “sides” of the debate.
And if you’re posting here so that Kim Burrell or any other artist will change their “wicked” ways, TRUST ME– they will not read this and say “oh… had I known that I was out of the Will of God… well, nevermind for what I had planned.”
It’s one thing to leave a comment and have a discussion; it’s quite another to debate the Word of God endlessly and without resolution. That’s a waste of time and it’s annoying to the countless people who clicked the lil’ box that says “notify me of new comments,” when you ARE NOT saying anything new.
Now, who else can’t wait to hear this Kim Burrell CD?! LOL *raises hand emphatically*
January 26th, 2010 on 9:44 am
Paul N, I personally believe that Bro. Lewis mixes truth with sensationalism. I hope he spends as much time scoping out the errors in his life as he does the lives of others. Since we ALL have sin to address in our lives…
I have no problem with the Bishop, Pastors, & Ministers God has placed me under edifying me or rebuking me. God has placed me in their care and we’ve talked, they know my story, and God speaks to them on my behalf. Some Christians believe and talk like EVERYONE is under their jurisdiction…and that is NOT SO! I don’t care what you think you know, you don’t know enough to make a final judgement about anyone! Yes, people are known by their fruit. But the word fruit is plural here. If you haven’t been following them around collecting, observing, dissecting every single piece of fruit that falls off their tree, you do NOT know enough to make a final judgement. It wouldn’t be appreciated if some stranger did it to you. Treat people like you want to be treated.
Even with Bro. Lewis, I say what I believe to be true about him. But I will never make a final judgement cause I don’t know his motives or his heart for certain. And for that reason, I won’t go on a bashing crusade…won’t be starting up a website against him…won’t go on TV revealing his lies. I just choose not to submit myself to his leadership. If more people could respectfully agree to disagree and let people be pastored by the churches they’ve been assigned to, Christians would finally be known by their love for one another.
January 26th, 2010 on 9:49 am
@Paul N, thank you.
January 26th, 2010 on 9:53 am
Paul N said
“Relationship over religion, You mention the big picture, are you saying in this big picture people should go after fame and fortune? Can you show me which verse of the bible that comes from, please.”
You are attempting to extrapolate on my comment and thus coming up with conclusions that I never stated. That happens a lot on Gospel/Christian based blogs because some people are trying to make a point without fully reading what someone else said. It’s all good though…So my answer to your question is “No, “I’m” not saying that in the big picture people should go after fame and fortune…That’s what “you” said.” I have stated a few points in my previous comments…But apparently, they have been lost in translation. :-/
January 26th, 2010 on 10:05 am
Relationship Over Religion, I read your comments. If I misunderstood I apologize, however I still think your stance is incorrect according to scripture.
January 26th, 2010 on 10:06 am
May I ask what you believe my stance to be? Perhaps that will aid in the discussion…
January 26th, 2010 on 10:13 am
v4c, I can respect your opinion. I have not listened to all of his messages but from what I have listened to he is on point. I have also never heard him say anything without proof of it.
Yes we should pray for eachother but false doctrine and teaching must be silenced.
Titus 1:10-11
10 For there are many insubordinate, both idle talkers and deceivers, especially those of the circumcision, 11 whose mouths must be stopped, who subvert whole households, teaching things which they ought not, for the sake of dishonest gain.
I agree, we all have to work out our own salvation with fear and trembling.
God bless you!!
January 26th, 2010 on 10:15 am
It seems you have no issue with Kim Burrell.
January 26th, 2010 on 10:17 am
You claim that people are behaving like an authority over this issue, however the word of God is our final authority and dont see where going to the world is the answer for a Child of God.
January 26th, 2010 on 10:21 am
@ Paul N:
Was this directed toward me: “It seems you have no issue with Kim Burrell.”
If so, you absolutely did misinterpret what I said. It’s kind of funny that you admittedly said that you could have misunderstood what I was saying, but still disagreed with my “stance.” That’s a little bit of jumping the gun, don’t you think?
January 26th, 2010 on 10:35 am
Based on your response to my comment, I realized I couldve got in wrong. Again, I apologize.
January 26th, 2010 on 10:54 am
@EJ Amen! Yes I cannot wait for the CD. I wonder what songs she has on it? What her cd layout will be? Will more money be put into production? She mentioned her theme for the new cd on TBN. I cannot wait.
January 26th, 2010 on 11:41 am
@mike the messenger and paul n,
my brothers it comes to a point where you have to wipe the dust from your feet and move on. those that will deny the word are denying CHRIST and dont even know it. MATT 11:6 CHRIST said this “blessed is he who does not take offense at me” look at MATT 18:15-17.once we have tried to reprove those who dont adhere to the word twice, we should have nothing to do with them. the word is the truth and will never be a lie. anyone who claims to follow CHRIST yet they go around scripture to justify why they believe what is false 2 THESS 2:10-12 speaks about them. @gayle only pray for the lord to continue doing what he is doing in my life, please dont pray any religous, vain prayers concerning me or my brothers in CHRIST. no one has twisted or misued or misinterpreted any scripture for 1 PETER 1:20,21 says ” but know this first of all, that NO prophecy of scripture is a matter of ONES interpretation, for NO prophecy was ever made by an act of human will, but men moved by the HOLY SPIRIT spoke from GOD. GOD BLESS!!!!
January 26th, 2010 on 11:46 am
Why thank you, Paul N!
I just believe wholeheartedly that the people who should do the stopping are the Bishops, Pastors, etc. that they are accountable to. After that, we need to respect peoples God-given free will to choose not to listen, leave them to God, and let them answer for themselves on judgement day. There is no decency and no order about all Christians making it their personal crusade to stop all mouths, lol.
And yes, I hope that Kim’s CD comes out and includes nothing offensive or unChrist-like.
January 26th, 2010 on 12:01 pm
@v4c- do you realize that the only one you should be “under” is CHRIST? we are not called to be “under” any man as there is only ONE mediator between us and GOD (1 tim 2:5, gal 3:20) now you may be “under” someone still to this day because you are still a babe in CHRIST. (hebrews 5:12,13) dont get stuck here though. realize that we are supposed to be taught by the HOLY SPIRIT and not man, and the body of CHRIST should edify one another. just dont get stuck in institutionalism because you will never grow to maturity and will never come to the TRUE knowledge of CHRIST
January 26th, 2010 on 12:26 pm
No compromisin, thanks for the advice!
God has not instructed me to leave my church. I believe that He has me in a particular church under the leadership of a particular Bishop until God says otherwise to assist me in my relationship with Him. I follow no man blindly. I take what any preacher says back to God and study. That separates me from ‘babes’, lol. However, I believe I am accountable to the leadership at the church I attend…not to all Christians. That’s the part of the body who God uses to speak to me.
I understand the flaws of institutionalism…which is the very reason I attend a non-denominational church now.
EJ, I hope while we’re doing all this posting you’re working on a MAJOR Kim interview! LOL!
January 26th, 2010 on 12:40 pm
no prob at all, GOD bless you !!!
January 26th, 2010 on 12:45 pm
Mike, based on my response earlier, it would have been correct to assume I’ve never contacted him myself. I have not been completely delivered for my temper issues, and I would not trust him, based on his replies to others that have contacted him, to not push the right buttons tempting me to zap out, lol (not that it would be his fault…it would have been my choice to spaz, lol). For that reason, I choose to leave him to those he’s accountable to and not submit myself to his leadership.
I was raised by a women who told me that there is a right and wrong way to talk to and deal with people and even if you’re right, your approach can kill any progress you could have had in a discussion.
January 26th, 2010 on 1:05 pm
For the record, I will check out Kim’s new CD. Because it’s KIM BURRELL! I have all of her other ones (3, right?). I liked her because she sings (gospel) like none other and she loves music and the study of music and all that matched her spiritual conviction. Now if it’s a bunch of pronoun gospel or just straight bump ‘n grind, it’s a pass because 1) it’s Kim Burrell and don’t think she can sell that brand of music because I know her as a gospel singer; and 2) old-school R&B does that stuff much better.
January 26th, 2010 on 1:19 pm
@ Tam Tam
Yup, 3. Everlasting Life (which I intend to have displayed on my wall in my dream home like hip hop cats do Scarface, LOL), the Live joint (with the messy band…and I didn’t mean that in a good way), and No Ways Tired…which is an interesting title based on this discussion, lol. Hmmm…
Some many favs from Everlasting Life, like:
When I found the Lord…ohohuohu orrrrd, it was down on my bended Knee-eee-e-eee-e. or…
I give you my heart, my mind, my soul, my praise, my money! Father-er-er! or…
Holy Spirit, help me to walk right, talk right, live right! Help me to be right! I’ll NEVER do ANYTHING without your leadingggg-i-i-ing, Spirit-i-it!
*sign*
Priceless!
January 26th, 2010 on 1:30 pm
Thanks EJ although I think just a few even paid attention to your on point commments…JESUS!
Yes I will definately buy the cd and I can’t wait! Kim is just Kim. I’m excited!
January 26th, 2010 on 2:17 pm
@TAMI
yes kim is just kim, and kim is following the world, which makes her and a lot of your other “gospel stars” enemies of GOD. (JAMES 4:4)
January 26th, 2010 on 2:25 pm
And I quote Mr. EJ: “It’s one thing to leave a comment and have a discussion; it’s quite another to debate the Word of God endlessly and without resolution. That’s a waste of time and it’s annoying to the countless people who clicked the lil’ box that says “notify me of new comments,” when you ARE NOT saying anything new.”
God Bless You!
January 26th, 2010 on 2:27 pm
@v4C…For you, it would not be a wise thing to be in contact with Mr. Lewis, as you mentiuoned. That is wisdom. @CJ….Maybe you can set up an interview with not only Miss Burrell but with Mr. G. Craige Lewis with http://www.exministries.com. @ Paul N. and No Comprosin’ (and G. Craige Lewis if he ever reads this)….Matthew 5 starting in verse 11.. Jesus says (yep,the red letters)..Blessed are you when people insult you,persecute you and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of Me. Rejoice and be glad because great is your reward in Heaven, for in the same way they persecuted the prophets who were before you. @ EVERYONE on this blog: Matthew 7: starting at verse 21: Jesus says (yep, the red letters again), Not everyone who says to Me, Lord,Lord, will enter the kingdom of Heaven, but only he who does the will if My Father who is in Heaven. MANY will say to Me on that day, Lor,Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name drive out demons and perform many miracles? The I will tell them PLAINLY, away from Me you workers of inequity, I NEVER KNEW YOU.
January 26th, 2010 on 2:28 pm
we never debated, i was never aware that i debated, when did i debate??? quote the WORD and not ej, because if you did you would not be excited at someone becoming an enemy of GOD. if that was a scripture you knew than you would be grieved and not happy
January 26th, 2010 on 2:38 pm
WOW…ok…my knowledge of the Word of God is not in question. I don’t need to prove that to you or anyone else. My life speaks for itself…with that being said, I’m still looking forward to Kim’s project!
January 26th, 2010 on 2:40 pm
@tami
i encourage you to get back to the word, your words are speaking for you, and its not saying anything good. once again james 4:4. this not only applys to kim, but to everyone. you are excited about someone becoming an enemy of GOD!?!? i guess your life is speaking for you
January 26th, 2010 on 2:45 pm
@v4c: BWAHAHAHAHA!!! I JUST noticed that you said you intend to display the Everlasting Life album cover on your wall “like hip hop cats do Scarface”. CLASSIC! LoL
January 26th, 2010 on 2:58 pm
Wow you don’t stop! LOL!!!!!
I’m not going to allow my understanding of the Word to be in question or judged by you or anyone else. I am a fan of Kim Burrell’s music and that’s pretty much it. But instead of going on and on about this why don’t we just undergird her and pray she makes the decision that would please God!
January 26th, 2010 on 3:12 pm
what are you talkin about???? where in the bible does anyone “undergird” anyone? she is already choosing to be a enemy of GOD because she wants to be like the world! she knows what her choice is, why do you choose to ignore that truth to enjoy her talent??? james 4:4
January 26th, 2010 on 3:27 pm
No compromisin one thing I can say about you, you are true to your name…lol BUT YOU’RE DRAINING!
January 26th, 2010 on 3:31 pm
NO COMPROMISIN, I hear you, what else can be said. People are fans of singers so regardless of what they do people will celebrate them, even if they deny Christ.
Tonex said he sees nothing wrong with homosexuality and the gospel stations still play his music.
This whole gospel music thing to me seems to have as much filth in it as the world. We are actually worse because if salt cannot season then its good for nothing.
Not sure if I said this but I watched an Anthony Evans interview and he said that he asked Maurette Brown-Clark for advice on getting into the gospel music industry and this was her advice “RUN THE OTHER WAY!”
Think about that, if it was all good, would she say that?
For all of you who will support Kim Burrells desire for fortune and fame(which is in and of itself evil), we dont need someone to sing a song for us, we can sing unto the LORD all by ourselves. Sing your own song to Jesus from a pure heart, He will recieve it over the praise of those who are running after the world.
Thats all folks!
The LORD bless you all!!!
January 26th, 2010 on 4:06 pm
@tami
we gotta uphold the standard! im not perfect yet, but with CHRIST strenghtening me i will be. and we all can be! we jus gotta get back to the word! 2 peter 1:5-11 tells us how we can be perfect and how we will enter the kingdom! thats why we cant compromise even one bit with the world. i love you and GOD bless you!!
January 26th, 2010 on 4:07 pm
@paul
youre definitely right bro! keep keepin it real, more people gotta take that stand!
January 26th, 2010 on 4:24 pm
NO COMPROMISIN, back at you!
Be blessed!!!
I would like all of us to pray for Robert Park (google him and read his story). Long story short, he is a young man that walked from South Korea to North Korea to tell North Korean leader Kim Jong-il to repent, step down and that God loves all the people of North Korea.
Amazing story and I am shocked thats it not on the news.
January 26th, 2010 on 4:24 pm
EJ, you must’ve seen at least a few episodes of MTV Cribs, LOL! Cause you know I ain’t lyin bout them Scarface plaques! LOL!
January 26th, 2010 on 4:28 pm
@ Paul N….No Tonex for me, unless he repents….
January 26th, 2010 on 5:07 pm
Hey v4c: ditto! But the title cut “Everlasting Life” TRUMPS all of that! LOL! From the first note “Dontcha wanna live for-evah” to the last. The message. The music. The opening baseline. Kim’s signature sound. Now that’s PRICELESS!!!!
January 26th, 2010 on 5:31 pm
Tam Tam, I’m shocked you were able to pick a favorite off of that CD! I don’t know that I ever will!
90% of the song is SCRIPTURE! LOL! How could you not love it!?
Believe on me as the Scriputre has said.
For in theat great day, all Saints will rise up from the dead.
All who have confessed Me as their Lord will receive their just reward.
This is the promise that God has given to us from the beginning.
But in order to receive it, THERE’S NO TIME FOR SLIPPING!
That’s just verse 2 of Everlasting Life folks!
*sigh*
January 26th, 2010 on 6:25 pm
The bible says in Romans 12:2 And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is good, and acceptable, and perfect will of God. We all need to continue to put God first in our lives. We you c what is happening in the gospel industry it is not like it use to be. It use to be about God and his word, now there are people damaged because some leaders are not giving the Word of God they are just making scriptures up. This is a serious thing, we all need to recognize and know that there is a Almighty God in heaven that is looking down on his people. I am not perfect, but i want to get there and when i die, i want to go back with him one day. It is all about pleasing God, and that is what i want to do. Everyday is not promise to us, God can easily take our breath and say your soul will be loss. God is forgiving and i am so glad about that, let us all examine ourself and look to the hills which cometh our help our help cometh from the Lord. I want to be like Jesus, how he did everything that told him to do, i think about what Jesus went through how people spit at him and call him names and beat him. I don’t even know if i would have done that for the entire world. I mean only God knows our hearts and what we can take. But i thank him everyday, he has been good to all of us. I think about Haiti, what happen to those people could have happened to us, but God didn’t allow that to be. I truly thank him. I will pray for everybody because we all need prayer. God Bless!
January 27th, 2010 on 2:13 pm
Some y’all trippin and funny to def!! Kim looks fantastic! Anytime a person has a major physical transformation you can certainly expect for them to dress differently; better; sexier- b/c they feel better, sexier about themselves. She doesn’t have to wear a frock b/c she can fit into what she’s always wanted to wear now.
I know from experience, tho I was never anywhere near Kim’s previous size.
As for her secular project, I’m excited about it. I’m sure she won’t be singing about “wanna to sex somebody up”. lol Just good music that’s not so on church but rather on things the church should address- everyday dealings. I was born and raised in the church and have said over the 5 years that if I should ever sing professionally I have no desire to be a gospel singer. Not b/c of the money but b/c I want to sing my heart. Traditional gospel ain’t it.
January 27th, 2010 on 4:42 pm
@blacksongbird, the issue here isn’t about her losing the weight, which is a great thing in itself. What alot of people, particularly saints, have a problem with is HOW she’s presenting herself on the website in undergarments (fishnets, slip), and her desire to go secular,
January 27th, 2010 on 4:44 pm
And I want to add how she wants to go secular after saying she wouldn’t compromise, etc
January 27th, 2010 on 11:34 pm
And some of the people Lovely, who are judging her are “perfect, holier than thou” christians who need to worry about their own salvation instead of worrying about others.
January 28th, 2010 on 4:51 am
@ Gayle…..Once ,again, there are NO holier than thou, perfect Christians….no one is righteous, no not one. Jesus said that Father God is perfect. That is why His Word CUTS like a two-edged sword. His Word is what is judging what Kim Burrell is doing…not any one person. Judgement STARTS in the house of God. Luke 11:23….Jesus says (yes the red letters)..He who is not with Me is against Me, and he who does NOT gather with Me,SCATTERS.
January 28th, 2010 on 8:01 am
v4c: I’m listening to “Everlasting Life” right now and what, 12 years later (yep, ’cause I had the CASSETTE TAPE plus I just saw that I’ve bought this CD THREE TIMES OVER from wearing it out!) and this song is still FRESH and BETTER than most of the gospel music out there today. PLEASE, PLEASE, Kim, don’t let the world pimp your anointed gift. Like my pastor says, like a piece of Juicy Fruit gum, this world will take you, chew out all your sweetness, and SPIT YOU OUT! Don’t let them do that to ya, Kim!!!!!
January 28th, 2010 on 8:50 am
Tam Tam…one of my favorites is “Heart to heart, there is something that I care to share with you. And I know that it’s the will… of our Father that we totally trust Him…MMMM”! That was my song! Our young adult choir used to kill that song!(Sorry Donald Lawrence, you just taught us not to use those words but I couldn’t think of anything else to describe! LOL)
January 28th, 2010 on 11:34 am
Gayle just keeps singing the same old “holier than thou” song doesnt she? You say dont judge, and then all you do is pass judgment.
If you love Kim Burrell and are ok with this, kool. We have a right to “JUDGE” according to scripture.
Yes we should all focus on our salvation but that doesnt mean that we shouldnt stand up for righteousness and call a spade a spade.
But you love Kim Burrell, so you dont mind her selling out as many others.
All I can say is the compromise thats going on is a sign of the last days but we see this as something good. Im confused.
In the words of her producer, “she is making an inspirational, secular album for her fans on THE OTHER SIDE of the music world”
In other words, “dont come and sing about no Jesus, we just love your voice but dont want what you stand for”.
I liken this to the multitudes that were seeking Jesus after he fed them, this is what Christ said.
John 6:26-28
26 Jesus replied, “I tell you the truth, you want to be with me because I FED you, not because you understood the miraculous signs. 27 But don’t be so concerned about perishable things like food. Spend your energy seeking the eternal life that the Son of Man[a] can give you. For God the Father has given me the seal of his approval.”
FED=Entertained
Miraculous sings = The message of the gospel and a/my life transformed by it.
Romans 13:11 (Amplified Bible)
11Besides this you know what [a critical] hour this is, how it is high time now for you to wake up out of your sleep (rouse to reality). For salvation (final deliverance) is nearer to us now than when we first believed (adhered to, trusted in, and relied on Christ, the Messiah).
God bless you all!!!
January 28th, 2010 on 11:40 am
FOLKS! Stop antagonizing one another. It’s getting ridiculous.
@Paul N, Mike and NO COMPROMISIN– Gayle, and several others, disagree with you. They do not believe what you believe. They do not interpret Scripture the way you are interpreting it. We’re clear that you believe that your interpretation is correct, but THEY DO NOT AGREE that you are correct. No amount of Scripture quotin’ and Bible referencin’ is going to change that. They DO NOT believe you are ACCURATELY discussing the Bible.
@Gayle– Paul N, Mike and NO COMPROMISIN disagree with you. They think you are mistaken in your open interpretation of Scripture and they believe that your openness to Kim Burrell epitomizes a prevalent problem within the Body of Christ. They believe your openmindedness is opposed to Scripture and no amount of comments is going to change that.
@EVERYONE– be done with this. Really. Kim is off doing her thing and enjoying it. And so are countless others. Whether you agree or disagree with that, you’ve MORE THAN sufficiently voiced that opinion by now.
Just be done.
January 28th, 2010 on 11:46 am
Thank you EJ!!!!!
January 28th, 2010 on 12:20 pm
EJ, If we who thinks it wrong are wrong according to scripture point it out. However if as Christians we dont base our thoughs and opinions on scripture then whats the point?
Dont like the inclusionist feel of things. As Christians we should be able to have some idea of truth.
Its also not about Kim Burrell but the Body of Christ and the confusing, double talk and actions.
God bless you!
January 28th, 2010 on 12:27 pm
OKEY DOKEY, Paul N! Thanks for clarifying!!!
January 28th, 2010 on 12:45 pm
Well it looks like the compromising has begun in full swing. I heard the new song on another blog featuring Kim Burrell and George Clinton titled “Mathematics of Love”. Look it up on youtube. 2 unmarried people singing about kissing & pleasure to sexy bedroom music. Again, lyrics sung by….George Clinton and Kim Burrell. -blank stare-
January 28th, 2010 on 12:52 pm
Wow, Paul N! When you say it like this: “In the words of her producer, “she is making an inspirational, secular album for her fans on THE OTHER SIDE of the music world” In other words, “dont come and sing about no Jesus, we just love your voice but dont want what you stand for”.” It just makes the whole situation even worse…not just for Kim as a singer, but each and every one of us in our own career, work, life, social life, etc. We like you but we don’t want to hear about your Jesus? Yikes!
January 28th, 2010 on 12:57 pm
Over 200 comments (and counting) with basically the same thing being said over and over and over again. My inbox is crying out for mercy.
“Mathematics of Love” is not a new song. It’s at least two years old and was on George Clintons’ “Gangsters of Love” album. I guess that means I’m not really saved because I own it *rolling eyes*.
January 28th, 2010 on 1:27 pm
Is this the same George Clinton that I used to play in the clubs back in the 1970’s…Funkadelic,Parliament,Bootsy’s Rubber Band…when I did not care about anybody but myself,and Jesus was nowhere to be found in my life. Jesus says,”Woe to those who think good is evil and evil is good” @EJ….PSALM147; VERSE 1;Praise the Lord. How good it is to sing praises to our God, how pleasant and fitting to praise Him. @EVERYBODY…Proverbs 3:5 Trust in the Lord with ALL your heart and lean NOT on your OWN understanding; in ALL your ways acknowledge Him and He will make your paths straight.
January 28th, 2010 on 1:31 pm
Oh ok, thanks EaZy. I will pass that info along because the other website listed it as new music.
January 28th, 2010 on 1:35 pm
@Keisha….I praise Jesus for using you to give us the info on the song….
January 28th, 2010 on 10:35 pm
Ej, I’m sorry if I offended some on here. I am through too, and will no longer post here. I don’t want to come here to cause problems here. I gave my opinion, people here think I’m less of a Christian because of my view.
Again, I’m sorry if I upset some here on this site.
January 28th, 2010 on 11:04 pm
I agree with Paul he is right. SSpeak the truth.
January 29th, 2010 on 9:02 am
@ EaZy: I bought that CD JUST for that song! You’re not alone, lol. I’m a music nerd too (good music)…
Here are the lyrics (all of them):
I count the moments we’re apart
And add them up mathematically
And multiply them by the kisses, supposedly, I’ve been missing
Divided by the attention not to mention the affection
Subtract that from your gross potential and see I ain’t missing none
Cause any percentage of you is as good as the whole pie
And any fraction thereof, brings dividends of interest
Any percentage of you is as good as the whole pie
And any fraction thereof, brings dividends of love
Personally, it’s the CLEANEST love song I’ve heard in a while. I take kisses, attention, and affection to mean just what it says. They didn’t mention sex at all. But everyone’s entitled to interpret the lyrics how they choose.
If anything offended me about the song it was GEORGE CLINTON’S SINGING! LOL! Messy!
@ Tam Tam:I downloaded it yesterday morning on Itunes and ROCKED it ALL DAY! I told someone it was my ABSOLUTE favorite CD…period even after considering all genres of music. You’ve got jazz, r&b, a lead guitar solo, instumentals, scripture, insightful lyrics… What more could you ask for???? It gets better with age like fine…Welch’s Grape Juice, LOL! I mean, No Ways Tired was cool and all, but I’m still waiting for the follow up to Everlasting Life. But (to the tune of the same title), “I guess that I’ll be waiting foreva!” LOL! Shoot!
@ Kim: Fine tune your style regulations with the Glam Squad, keep your lyrics fornication free, and mention Jesus at least 3 times (one for the Father, Son, & Holy Spirit…and not just in the Thank You’s), and I guess I won’t tear my clothes and mourn for the rest of the year (or hire mourners)! LOL!
January 29th, 2010 on 9:11 am
I would also like to apologize, If I have offended anyone.
Gayle, I dont think you are less of a Christian at all, though I dont agree with you.
We as Christians can never think we have arrived or know it all and if we do we are bound to fall (I am talking about myself).
1 Corinthians 10:12
12 Therefore let him who thinks he stands take heed lest he fall.
1 Corinthians 8:2
2 And if anyone thinks that he knows anything, he knows nothing yet as he ought to know. 3 But if anyone loves God, this one is known by Him.
In talking as Christians, I hope we can get to the heart and mind of Christ. One thing for sure is that Gods doesnt want His word and keeping His commendments to be as like a task master but a delight to us, though it may not be easy at all times.
May The LORD bless each and everyone who has taken part in this discussion and may we resemble our Savior more as each day passes.
Paul
January 29th, 2010 on 10:17 am
@v4c -you too? i often refer to myself as “musically schizophrenic” but music nerd works too, lol. i initially bought the cd as a gift from my uncle who used to be a dj and still thinks it’s 1983. he kept playing it, i heard a couple songs including the one with Kim and i ended up repossessing it.
January 29th, 2010 on 11:06 am
I am going to support Kim in her music, but I’m shocked and a bit scared about this image change. The secular album will most likely be clean, because Kim Burrell is an assistant pastor at a COGIC church… com on now, but has anyone else had problems seeing her website recently? I can’t even view the page. I just get a white screen.
January 29th, 2010 on 11:21 am
@ EaZy: HA! Indian Giver! LOL @ Uncle DJ circa ‘83! With the exception of MJJ, Prince, and a select few others, I personally think the ’80’s was the absolute WORSE era for music. So, this description made me holler! LOL!
I’ve been told I’m very prejudice when it comes to music. I mean, forgive me, but when did being a good songwriter make someone a good artist!? You don’t have to be able to sing anymore!? Wha!? One of the things that I LOVE about gospel music is that you MUST be able to sing in order to be successful in it. Pop, R&B, and other genres…you can sound like CRAP and make BILLIONS! That, in and of itself, is a SIN! That’s without even considering the messy lyrics, lol.
January 29th, 2010 on 2:02 pm
@PAUL
dont take this wrong bro but jus understand where im coming from. jesus said in matt 11:6; ” and blessed is he who does not take offense at me”. jesus is GOD and GOD is jesus(1 john 5:20 as well as other scriptures) and we know that the word was with GOD and the word was GOD(john 1:1) i said all that to say JESUS said blessed is he who does NOT take offense at me, so by you my brother as well as me and mike and others who will not compromise the word for anyone, there is nothing to apologize for. you only sought to exhort and reprove through the word as we should. for someone to take offense at that takes offense with CHRIST. we do not have to apologize when we have actually tried to help someone in the best way possible, we should definitely pray that GOD will open their blind eyes and deaf ears but apologize?????no. and just to clear this up. never once did i, paul, or mike interpret any scripture EJ. that is for you or anyone else who may have that gross misconception. 2 peter 1:20,21 instructs us that we definitely shouldnt because we cant. the scriptures were used line upon line, precept upon precept, exactly how they should be used.
i will say this as a broad statement and whoever feels it applys to them so be it.
if you call yourself a “christian” and your beliefs and actions are not lining up with the word then i cannot conclude that you follow CHRIST. just because you say you love GOD does not make you apart of the body of CHRIST, and just because you go to a building does not mean you will be saved(matt 24:13) stop rejecting the truth of the gospel that will save your soul, because if you do, GOD will send a deluding influence upon you and you only will believe that which is false (2 thess 2:10-12) realize that love is not always a pat on your back, and a tickling of your ears, but sometimes a stern correction. STAND FIRM in the word, and get familiar with 1 peter 3:13-17
January 29th, 2010 on 2:12 pm
@NO COMPROMISIN– Wow. I kinda knew that you’d be the one to be extra combative about people trying to walk in peace here.
In any event, since you obviously lack self-discipline and can’t control yourself, I’ll be controlling your comments from here on out FOR you. I guess this is what the Bible means by bearing one another’s burdens…
Anyone else need burden bearing?
January 29th, 2010 on 2:32 pm
@NO COMPROMISIN
I just dont want to be condescending or rude with what i say. Sometimes you can say the right thing the wrong way and I always want and try to be mindful of how I present the Truth of God.
I am also very aware of growth as far as we as Christians are concerned. Some may not agree, some may reject truth but some may not have reached a level of understanding. Lets trust that Gods words will do the work in our hearts.
I stand by my convictions according to the word of God though.
Blessings!
January 29th, 2010 on 2:56 pm
Some of these posts are really good and oh so passionate!! LOL
January 29th, 2010 on 2:59 pm
EJ, since I wasn’t in a prophetic trance the day I checked the GP comment box to receive email whenever new posts were added, I have definitely paid for my lack of vision hahaha!
Of late, I open up my email and toggle the whole page now for deletion, as they’re ALL from EJ! But way to go for Gospelpundit.com!!!
Is this the most popular post in the site’s history?
February 4th, 2010 on 1:08 pm
COOL DOWN FOLKS! “Secular” just means outside of the church audience. Kim Burrell is FILLED with the Holy Spirit so she’s not doing anything to compromise that presence, besides its the very reason she is as phenomenal as she is. Its so sad that people in the church feel like you arent doing God’s will if you arent only singing to them! The religous crowd hated Jesus for that very reason. How can we reach the world if we only sing in the churchs and synagogues??? There are people that will wouldnt ever step into a church but will be drawn because of the annointing of Kim’s voice.
February 4th, 2010 on 4:01 pm
@ Kevin….I agree with the statement “It’s so sad that people in the church feel like you aren’t doing God’s will if you aren’t only singing to them”. The problem is a person is NOT doing God’s will if they are not singing and praising Him ONLY. Some people are worshipping the singers and the songs rather than the One who has given the anointing to the singers and the songs.Psalm 95: 1,2 Come let US sing for joy TO THE LORD, let US shout aloud to the Rock of OUR SALVATION. Psalm 96:1,2 Sing to THE LORD a NEW SONG; sing to THE LORD all of the Earth. Psalm 98:1 Sing to THE LORD a NEW SONG, for He has done marvelous things…
February 4th, 2010 on 8:23 pm
All I have to say is …Beware when all men speak well of thee. ~Luke 6:26 The world should not be welcoming you with open arms if you are representing Christ. They should despise you. You are standing totally against what they are. Is anyone reading their bible? Does anyone own a bible??
If you can not be an outcast, you will NEVER be a Christian. You can NOT try to fit in. Because you will never fit in if you represent Christ. Watch, if she continues the path she’s on the world will applaud her, suck all of the talent out of her and spit her out as if she never existed. A washed up has been. Look at Whitney.
February 4th, 2010 on 9:13 pm
@ Danielle….welcome to the group discussion. Many of Jesus’ followers left Him when His teaching got too hard.
February 6th, 2010 on 2:40 am
I am a Kim fan and will support this decision. I believe by secular, it means inspirational. I don’t believe Kim would be talking or singing about anything graphic or out of the will of God. I’m ready to hear and see what Kim is about to do.
God bless you Kim!!
February 6th, 2010 on 7:40 am
WWWOWW im shocked and disagree to this move of secular music. I really think that all the secular r&b and pop stars that she started hanging with influenced her a great deal when that should have been her converting them to gospel of singing for Christ!!!! I promise you i will not listen to that album at ALLL and again Kim im very upset and dont wish the best for this move
February 6th, 2010 on 7:43 am
AND AGAIN I FORGOT TOMENTION SHE NEEDS TO STOP LYING AND SAY ITS ALL ABOUT THE MONEY $$$$
February 10th, 2010 on 2:06 am
ALLL I KNOW IS THISS.. cause she done lost weight.. she better NOT TRY TO DANCE.. or do and EIGHT COUNTS.. just get a stool and microphone and just sing.. NO DROP it down lows kim.. NONE OF THAT!!!!!!!!..
that does it…… come back to gospel.
February 10th, 2010 on 12:06 pm
KIM, GOD loves you and you gift..that’s why only you can do what you do…HE WON’T PUT MORE ON YOU THAN YOU CAN BEAR…cuz only you can bear it…expand you outreach so reach as many people as you can through every area of media that you can….GO INTO THE HIGHWAY AND BI WAYS…and Show the world what an anointed artist that loves GOD can do..I and my family pray for your careers’s LONGEVITY in whatever you do…..PEOPLE, some negative in their tone just know how precious you are to the body of Christ and worried that this business may snatch you up and hurt you as it has done to so many believes with musically gifts…so in the words of your song: keep giving God your Heart, your soul, your mind and your Money and all the praises for your NEW ADD-ventures…always sayla
February 19th, 2010 on 10:43 pm
Weeelllll, Are we suprised.When people get a new look things inside of them change, including their focus. I was a huge fan of Kim’s , but now i dont know. When I visited her website the first thing you hear is her singing Im living a new life , in a new world , look at me… REALLY , It does not sond like she is glorifying God Much. And this new look I dont know. The pic above this… not classy at all… modesty gone out of the window. So we better keep her in rayer that the world does not consume her…